Reply With Quote~1mln. yes. but there should be 425(from nowadays 100+) thousands professional soldiers in the 2018. So proportion of conscripts will fell. It's only plans however, which could change by some economical reasons.Originally Posted by Camera
And then we could go even further back and start a pissing contest over the maths and physics behind it, or even begin with the Chinese and their rockets.
No to pollute this thread with even more BS... but first object in space and therefore "into space" was a V2.. Case closed.
~1mln. yes. but there should be 425(from nowadays 100+) thousands professional soldiers in the 2018. So proportion of conscripts will fell. It's only plans however, which could change by some economical reasons.
No we cannot - the Russian scientist Tsiokolvsky really was the father of modern rocketry and the latter space programs; despite the fact that he was born 100 years before them. He understood the principles of rockets and their ballistics, space flight, escape velocity, interplanetary travel, etc... and pinned down a great deal of correct equations and theories decades before the first rockets were even constructed and practical experiments were made possible. It was his theoretical work that was built on top of by the numerous American, German and Russian scientists that followed. Before him, the understanding of such things was very much rudimentary; the Chinese with their firecrackers or at best the British army experiments in the 19th century with primitive tube-launched infantry rockets was really about as far as it got. There was virtually no understanding of any science or maths behind it, beyond such knowledge as the optimal gunpower mix, angle at launch, etc...
Just like Einstein for example was the father of Relativity; you don't try to degrade his achievements by pointing to Newton (Einstein's work was so far ahead it would be an insult), or degrade Stephen Hawkins by saying that we could 'even begin with Einstein and his theories'. Likewise for the man who developed half the equations and principles (multi-stage rockets, fuel mixture and composition, etc...) for modern ICBMs over a century ago.
The first object launched into orbit was the Sputnik satellite. It may be quite incorrect to say that it was the 'first object in space' as such, but that's what it's remembered for nonetheless; perhaps because it reached orbit rather than just cut through space as part of a ballistic trajectory.No to pollute this thread with even more BS... but first object in space and therefore "into space" was a V2.. Case closed.
Last edited by Flamming_Python; 05-07-2012 at 07:27 AM.
nazi were(or could be) in space first, because of power of Fau2, but only with suborbital flight. First real orbital flight - ussr-sputnik. point.
I dont disagree, I am sure they are, its the path everyone is taking, mostly because its in the long run more efficient and cheaper. Thats the reason it makes sense the use and investigation of UAV's technology.
Civilian society demands more and more money invested on civilian infrastructure and they have power with their vote, so democracies better spend money more wisely. Thats the road for everyone.
What makes sense is that Israel developed its capacity in this regard out of necessity and is logical that the know how have a lot of value and can be traded as a commodity.
Buhahahah Kilgor strikes again!
Educate your self
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity
Oh I see, so Kilgor couldn't even be bothered to get his facts right. Yet again. The fool nearly had me fooled.
no, formally he is right. Formal space margin is 100 km. so if above - formally reaches space. Fau2 could technically reach 160 km(if im not wrong) in vertical flight. But Fau2 was not able to reach escape velocity.
Maxium hight noted for V2 were 80 or 88 km . Space is above 118km and 122km by NASA. Far space 21 mln km
russian wiki gives 188km
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%E0%F3-2
Именно ракета «Фау-2» стала первым в истории искусственным объектом, совершившим суборбитальный космический полёт. В первой половине 1944 года, с целью отладки конструкции, был произведён ряд вертикальных пусков ракет с несколько увеличенным (до 67 сек) временем работы двигателя (подачи топлива). Высота подъёма при этом достигала 188 километров[3].
Speaking of educating yourself, you don't need to reach escape velocity to go into space. Bumper 1 reached space (100km) in 1948
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumper_(rocket)
read it again
Escape velocity is irrelevant as to whether an object has gone into space. Reading it 100 times won't change that fact.
Thx didn't know that !
Well it has http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Newton_Cannon.svg
SOUNDS TO ME like a bunch of people are butthurt that the Soviets were 1st in space :P
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