France - Hollande

[mas-36]

He would be indeed the closer thing to communism but he is still far from it. Too much "pragmatic and not enough ideologized" ideas in his program
And after all he is a former trotskyste

Pffwwa ha ha!

You know that Trots and Commies don't mix well

Very true.

So what remains then is Socialist Holland who will pretend he is a bit "right of left" to pull votes from the Center, but at the same time prove he is moonbat enough to pull in more Melanchon supporters? How this is good for France, I have no idea. I feel one previous poster is correct: if people begin to feel their choice is between a Utopian and a social theorist, then this might give FN what it needs to gain positions in the Assembly, and I for one think the members of FN will not view this as an accident or stroke of luck, they will have predicted it.

[KoTeMoRe]

Watch the European markets nosedive if Hollande wins.

France just borrowed on the market at a lesser rate than the last year. And this despite the potential Socialist win. So NO the markets will not take a nosedive.
On a side note, wow our US members have a potentially simplistic PoV on Euro Politics. Please we are currently suffering from major US malpractices, before trying to tell us how we should vote, you better clean your front door.

The last time France had three consecutive years of Budget surplus and debt reduction was under a Socialist Government.

Please, stop the bull****.

[Frenchdude]

France just borrowed on the market at a lesser rate than the last year. And this despite the potential Socialist win. So NO the markets will not take a nosedive.
On a side note, wow our US members have a potentially simplistic PoV on Euro Politics. Please we are currently suffering from major US malpractices, before trying to tell us how we should vote, you better clean your front door.

The last time France had three consecutive years of Budget surplus and debt reduction was under a Socialist Government.

Please, stop the bull****.

Well Kotemore i don't always aggree with you but that's spot on.

This "socialism" scare is ridiculous, Hollande is not going to turn France into Cuba...

[bve]

Thanks Kotemore!

A hint for those on the other side of the Pond: France != North Korea. If you're so scared of our future government (and god forbid anyone should mention subprimes, when speaking about messing with the markets...), you should read the programmes (I'm sure they're available in English somewhere), or check what happened during the previous Leftist rules (in France with Jospin for example, or... in Germany! Shrödi anyone?). Forget about the 75% taxation (that's a very specific case which is not worth explaining at lengths, and complicated besides), or reductions in Defense budgets (I mean, nothing worse that now; we're broke, after all) and other silly trollish rumors.

Thank you for opening your eyes, dear allies

[KoTeMoRe]

Pffwwa ha ha!



Very true.

So what remains then is Socialist Holland who will pretend he is a bit "right of left" to pull votes from the Center, but at the same time prove he is moonbat enough to pull in more Melanchon supporters? How this is good for France, I have no idea. I feel one previous poster is correct: if people begin to feel their choice is between a Utopian and a social theorist, then this might give FN what it needs to gain positions in the Assembly, and I for one think the members of FN will not view this as an accident or stroke of luck, they will have predicted it.

... So this analysis is based on what? Do you know the practices in the legislative elections in France? Do you really think that the FN will be able to snatch more than 15% in the Assemblée Nationale? The French usually tend to give the entering President a full house. This means that the Assemblé would have roughly 280/295 Socialist MPs. Add to that 30 to 35 NFG (PCF and others), 8/10 Greens. IE no chance in Hell the FN could gain more than 50 MPs IF the UMP candidates go hand in hand with the FN. By any standart, the FN cannot gain any possible leverage. Basically all FN votes in the Legislatives are *lost votes*.

But then again...who played the whole FN courtmanship? Who got the FN to become a credible alternative? From 2002 to 2012 the ones in power were the UMP guys.

bve: Been working with enough of your big whigs to know you par coeur. All in all, France will spearhead the economical comeback of the 1990s policies. And oddly enough those were...Socialist policies.

[tokengator]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hortlived.html
French Socialists’ joy of election victory will be shortlived

Publicly, his most radical play is a demand for a renegotiation of the treaty to save the euro. He wants it to be “reoriented” away from austerity and in favour of growth and job creation, by encouraging more European borrowing to fund infrastructure projects. Germany’s Angela Merkel is vehemently opposed, pointing out that the treaty is signed and sealed. So are David Cameron and George Osborne, who know that Mr Hollande’s economic agenda is the same as Ed Miliband’s.
One of the reasons Downing Street is so worried is that a win for Mr Hollande will give strength to those in the EU demanding less austerity and more borrowing. With their political fortunes in doubt and no growth in sight, it is a call the Prime Minister and Chancellor will find harder to resist once Mr Sarkozy is gone.
In Paris, though, they predict that Mr Hollande will back down on renegotiation once he is in office and has to face the might of Germany. He will settle instead for a memo on growth to be agreed at the EU summit in June.
Meanwhile, with France mired in debt and deep in its own financial crisis, there is a fear that the markets will punish any hint of socialist irresponsibility with punitive interest rate rises. There are question marks over his unaffordable pledges to hire an additional 60,000 civil servants and reduce the retirement age for bureaucrats. Indeed, his advisers are already dropping hints of how he might compromise in the face of economic reality.
It is said a number of major corporations have held off announcing large job losses to avoid harming Mr Sarkozy’s chances, but will now bring them forward. There are hints the new president will use an audit of the public finances he has planned for his first weeks in office to argue that the situation is far worse than expected. By the summer, they say, socialist policies will be dumped and he will be forced to implement the very austerity measures Mr Sarkozy warned were necessary.
And that will be where trouble begins. Mr Hollande’s victory tomorrow will have been built by pandering not just to the unreconstructed Leftists of the socialist party, but also to the anti-capitalist, anti-globalisation message of the Left Front, the umbrella campaign for communists, trade unions and other hard Left groups.
He has also benefited more generally from the growing hostility to elites and wealth that helped the far Right Front National of Marine Le Pen do so well in the first round.
Among the political classes of both Right and Left, two predictions are being made: first, that Mr Hollande will win tomorrow. And second, that within six months he will have disappointed those who elected him with a series of economic U-turns that will drive them into the streets and into violent confrontations with the state.
Then the crowds will once again return to the Bastille, but this time in anger, not in celebration.

[Enosh]

hehe france is so ****ed
well will be fun to watch from the side lines

[KoTeMoRe]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hortlived.html
French Socialists’ joy of election victory will be shortlived

More wonderful propaganda from the Trollograph.

[G-AWZT]

France just borrowed on the market at a lesser rate than the last year. And this despite the potential Socialist win. So NO the markets will not take a nosedive.
On a side note, wow our US members have a potentially simplistic PoV on Euro Politics. Please we are currently suffering from major US malpractices, before trying to tell us how we should vote, you better clean your front door.

The last time France had three consecutive years of Budget surplus and debt reduction was under a Socialist Government.

Please, stop the bull****.

I have to disagree. France does not need a Socialist gov't. The market two weeks ago went down upon hearing Hollande was ahead. The Economist magazine had a great article on why Hollande would be bad for France and Europe.

[Mordoror]

The market two weeks ago went down upon hearing Hollande was ahead. The Economist magazine had a great article on why Hollande would be bad for France and Europe.

The market can suck my balls. FFS we are in democracy (or supposed so) so why is the "market" meddling.
This is a democracy denial, plain and simple
Now to make the things more clear, when Mitterand (who was supposed to be more hard core socialist than Holland) arrived on power in 1981 the same market (through S&P reports)said that there was nothing to worry about because even with a socialist gov, France is a western country with a capitalist market and will remain as such (and i ll remind you that true commies where in the french gov back in that time, not like today or even tomorrow)
You can read it there : http://www.lepoint.fr/economie/ce-**...1457940_28.php
Nothing has changed from that pov

[KoTeMoRe]

I have to disagree. France does not need a Socialist gov't. The market two weeks ago went down upon hearing Hollande was ahead. The Economist magazine had a great article on why Hollande would be bad for France and Europe.

Disagree with what? You should make sure you nail it.

The CAC 40 has been plunging since march 16th until April 23rd...and from there on it has been generally on the damn rise. Guess what happened in April 23rd? Right, First round results in France. guess who was winning? Not Sarkozy. While it might simply be a coincidence, it sure does nothing good to your claim.

http://www.boursorama.com/cours.phtml?symbole=1rPCAC

What France does or not need it is up to the French voters. You do not see me freaking out when the US GOP candiates facing the current POTUS are mental-facility material. The Economist is the same piece of Crap that incensed Berlusconi six months before Italy dumped his sorry arse (and I got a healthy dose of respect for the former Italian PM, him being the owner of my favourite club and all).

Opinions are like rear ends, every one has one. Fortunately the French are alone to vote on this. So you keep your cool and carry on.

Now come again. On a side note, Mackie nailed it. The US crowd should do its homework as your administration is the only one among the relevant economies in the Western world to not have underwent a drastic cutback plan.

[Soulman]

hehe france is so ****ed
well will be fun to watch from the side lines

How does that comment add anything to this dicussion ?

[Fargin]

The voters send for these guys everytime the bill for deregulation and tax cuts has to be paid by the middleclass and poor.

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

Now come again. On a side note, Mackie nailed it. The US crowd should do its homework as your administration is the only one among the relevant economies in the Western world to not have underwent a drastic cutback plan.

Yeah tell me about it...in fact we Americans complain about this every day on these very forums.

[KoTeMoRe]

Yeah tell me about it...in fact we Americans complain about this every day on these very forums.

So basically you fail to implement tax cuts at home (making sure the global economy is at risk) yet the French are to be blamed for the state of the global economy? Where is the logic n that? Marvelous Brave New World.