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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro C9 View Post
    Civilian crime, why is the military prosecuting it?
    Attacking the Pentagon was a civilian crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [WDW]Megaraptor View Post
    Attacking the Pentagon was a civilian crime?
    I have no idea how you could come up with the idea that it wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro C9 View Post
    Should be being held in a civilian court on the US mainland.
    It is a jurisdictional issue. There are a lot of civilian courts in the US, they all have a specific jurisdiction. In this case it is in the military jurisdiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    It is a jurisdictional issue. There are a lot of civilian courts in the US, they all have a specific jurisdiction. In this case it is in the military jurisdiction.
    Why?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro C9 View Post
    Why?


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    That is how it goes. There are thousands of jurisdictions in the US. City is probably the lowest ranking, all the way up to Federal. It is not that the attacker violated local, state and federal laws, it was a attack on the US. That falls under the military to handle. Look where there are held, at a military facility. It is not all black and white, they can be remanded to another court, there is politics on a federal level, etc. Jurisdictions also fight each other over who has right to be the court of first instance/original jurisdiction. There is a lot more to this, a lawyer would be a better person to answer your questions. You can also research the court system in the US. Law is highly defined in the US and where it over laps, it can be contested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro C9 View Post
    Civilian crime, why is the military prosecuting it?

    You guys should try a thing called "discussion."
    Quite Simple really, Cops didnt arrest them. there were taken Prisoner by the Military in operational zones as unlawful combatants. The requirement for trial is fulfilled by the Military Commissions Act of 2009.




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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    Quite Simple really, Cops didnt arrest them. there were taken Prisoner by the Military in operational zones as unlawful combatants. The requirement for trial is fulfilled by the Military Commissions Act of 2009.




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    KSM was "taken prisoner" in Pakistan in 2003 by the ISI, not by the US military.

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    Simple enough even for you

    Our People Attacked

    Our Country

    Our Laws

    Dont like that?

    See the padre

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro C9 View Post
    KSM was "taken prisoner" in Pakistan in 2003 by the ISI, not by the US military.
    Who arrest him does not define jurisdiction. A city cop can arrest someone for desertion. The local jail will only house the person until the agents for the correct jurisdiction pick them up for transport to the court of first incident/court that has jurisdiction of the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    Who arrest him does not define jurisdiction. A city cop can arrest someone for desertion. The local jail will only house the person until the agents for the correct jurisdiction pick them up for transport to the court of first incident/court that has jurisdiction of the issue.

    Supposedly DSS were there too, though it's murky.

    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    Simple enough even for you

    Our People Attacked

    Our Country

    Our Laws

    Dont like that?

    See the padre
    Your skills at debating a point put up for discussion are simply amazing. Thanks for your contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro C9 View Post
    Supposedly DSS were there too, though it's murky.



    Your skills at debating a point put up for discussion are simply amazing. Thanks for your contribution.
    There is nothing to debate, all of this is define by the laws of the US. If there is any debate, it is probably beyond the scope of any members here who do not have a law degree and practice law in this field.

    US laws has some of the best oversight in the world. Out side of political bantering, the rule of law will prevail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    There is nothing to debate, all of this is define by the laws of the US. If there is any debate, it is probably beyond the scope of any members here who do not have a law degree and practice law in this field.

    US laws has some of the best oversight in the world. Out side of political bantering, the rule of law will prevail.

    This is MilPhotos, everything is within everyone's scope, even the stuff they don't know about. I didn't make the point about being a point of law, I made the point of "should be." It's not a legal point at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro C9 View Post



    Your skills at debating a point put up for discussion are simply amazing. Thanks for your contribution.
    Not even trying to debate you as you have your position and are busily trolling it here. You and I have no decision making process here. This is what the US law says and this is how the US law will be done. Not hypothetically, or altruistically, but in reality.

    your contstant version of But why? has been answered but you dont like the answer you got.


    What more needs to be said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorro C9 View Post
    This is MilPhotos, everything is within everyone's scope, even the stuff they don't know about. I didn't make the point about being a point of law, I made the point of "should be." It's not a legal point at all.
    "Should be" is your opinion. US law doesn't seem to agree. Don't see what the confusion is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    Not even trying to debate you as you have your position and are busily trolling it here. You and I have no decision making process here. This is what the US law says and this is how the US law will be done. Not hypothetically, or altruistically, but in reality.

    your contstant version of But why? has been answered but you dont like the answer you got.


    What more needs to be said?

    I'm not trolling but that seems to be your "go to" answer for everything, doesn't it?

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