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    My friend, I have no idea what it actually does to the environment. I'm not an environmental engineer nor am I employed by some jokers that are cracking shale looking for gas...Chances are there's nothing worth "fracking" here anyway. Think about the impact though. Large aquafirs compromised...I'm sorry but there's no way that cracking rocks inside the earth is manageable...That HBO documentary could be 90% bullsh*t and it would still scare me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Joe View Post
    I'm sorry but there's no way that cracking rocks inside the earth is manageable...That HBO documentary could be 90% bullsh*t and it would still scare me.
    ^^ Amen to that!

    I'm certain that most regulars of this forum will dismiss the information in my link below as propaganda - so be it. But, I'd be damn well worried if one of these operations opened up near my home.....


    http://www.marcellus-shale.us/

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    I work for one of the three top fracing companies in North America, and since I'm not telling you the name, I'll let you in on a trade secret...some of our 'secret formula' is walnut hulls, glycerin, and a water/sand mix. That's it. But I'm 100% behind states exercising their rights to not allow a mining process if they don't want it.

    I can't speak for all companies (duh) but the one I work for exceeds all EPA requirements, and was instramental in capping the BP well head, stopping millions of gallons of oil from continuing to spill into the Gulf. That's right bitches, I work for Big Oil. Well, a well head/chemical/coil tubing/fracing services company.

    If you have questions I'll be glad to either answer them, or find out the answers for you, as long as my job and/or my company isn't endangered by passing any kind of sensitive material.
    And Joe, quit being a hysterical old woman, I know it's tough, but FFS man, where do you think your energy comes from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seraosha View Post
    I work for one of the three top fracing companies in North America, and since I'm not telling you the name, I'll let you in on a trade secret...some of our 'secret formula' is walnut hulls, glycerin, and a water/sand mix. That's it. But I'm 100% behind states exercising their rights to not allow a mining process if they don't want it.

    I can't speak for all companies (duh) but the one I work for exceeds all EPA requirements, and was instramental in capping the BP well head, stopping millions of gallons of oil from continuing to spill into the Gulf. That's right bitches, I work for Big Oil. Well, a well head/chemical/coil tubing/fracing services company.

    If you have questions I'll be glad to either answer them, or find out the answers for you, as long as my job and/or my company isn't endangered by passing any kind of sensitive material.
    And Joe, quit being a hysterical old woman, I know it's tough, but FFS man, where do you think your energy comes from?
    Power bars and that caged hamster next to the wood chipper?

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    I don't think Vermont was ever going to be a big center for drilling as the presently exploitable Marcellus shale deposits stop short at the state line and the Utica shale deposit is so deep that far east its probably not profitable.
    @Serosha not all cross-linked gels are friendly, tell the kids about the breakers and isotope fracture tracers.

    I think fracking is a great recovery method but it is apparently not suitable for some locations, early on drillers were using glycols in muds while going through aquifers and that has come back to bite them in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mein Teil View Post
    Joe, I totally respect your opinion, and I know that not all energy exploration/extraction is a good fit for every area. It's just the typical CG51 thread getting my dander up. Coal bad, oil bad, nuclear bad, CNG bad...must follow the liberal agenda crap with no alternatives besides spending more American blood and funding terror in the Middle East.
    You need to refill you Premarin.

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    F*ck you seraosha. I'm an expert, I saw a documentary. My energy comes from hydroelectric and the Vermont Yankee Nuclear plant. Which the hippies all want to close too.

    Like I said, I don't think there's anything worth fracking here anyway. I'm glad your oil company is exceeding code but who wrote the code? And yes, states should have the right to limit what happens within their borders in this situation. IMO too...

    I think they use a version of fracking to drill wells here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Gently Benevolent View Post
    I don't think Vermont was ever going to be a big center for drilling as the presently exploitable Marcellus shale deposits stop short at the state line and the Utica shale deposit is so deep that far east its probably not profitable.
    @Serosha not all cross-linked gels are friendly, tell the kids about the breakers and isotope fracture tracers.

    I think fracking is a great recovery method but it is apparently not suitable for some locations, early on drillers were using glycols in muds while going through aquifers and that has come back to bite them in the ass.
    What, like Calcium Chloride? Folks across the pond put it in their food, but I wouldn't. And as for isotope tracer...stable or unstable, depending on halflife?


    http://fracfocus.org/chemical-use/wh...icals-are-used

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterRJG View Post

    Spin it anyway you like, but there is no "safe" way to mine using fracking.
    There is no "safe" way to get any energy at all, or generate electricity period. Every energy source takes risks, or is just flat out impossible to do without a large industrial base in the first place that was built using unsafe energy, and the returns can't remotely power the industrial society that made it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    There is no "safe" way to get any energy at all, or generate electricity period. Every energy source takes risks, or is just flat out impossible to do without a large industrial base in the first place that was built using unsafe energy, and the returns can't remotely power the industrial society that made it.
    Awesome broad-sweeping, all encompassing blanket statement there. Now, can we return to the subject at hand, you reckon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterRJG View Post
    Awesome broad-sweeping, all encompassing blanket statement there. Now, can we return to the subject at hand, you reckon?
    unfortunately its true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilgor View Post
    unfortunately its true.
    Most broad statements usually have an element of truth to them. But again, the subject at hand is hydraulic fracturing, which as a banana-bender, affects you more than most in Australia.

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    Since we need to eat, then yes.

    Possible pollution of the water tablet with nasty ass chemicals, is a concern. Its no wonder the farmers are up in arms about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Joe View Post
    I don't claim to know a helluva lot about "fracking" except what I saw in an HBO documentary, which, if remotely true, is frightening as hell about the side effects on ground water, aquafirs etc.
    If you are talking about 'Gasland', it has proven to be a total pack of lies and grotesque distortions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indianatheart View Post
    I am glad that one state took the initiative. Hope the other states follow suit.

    http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/
    This 'documentary' is utter crap false propaganda.

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