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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Gently Benevolent View Post
    So it has not occurred and occurred, so this is Verschränkung.
    You are not too stupid to understand the difference between aquifer pollution from fracking itself and from other sources, such as the improper disposal of fracking fluids. This leads me to the inescapable conclusion that you are being disingenuous and trying to twist what I said for a total lack of valid and meaningful arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    You are not too stupid to understand the difference between aquifer pollution from fracking itself and from other sources, such as the improper disposal of fracking fluids. This leads me to the inescapable conclusion that you are being disingenuous and trying to twist what I said for a total lack of valid and meaningful arguments.
    If you find trimethylbenzenes in an aquifer but no trace of nitrates then you would deduce migration had been upwards rather than downwards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wahnsinn View Post
    I'm glad somebody hasn't bought into the gas land crap. Proper regulation of the industry is what is required. The Germans have done this properly for years and have very little issue with the whole thing.
    Do we?

    http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitr...aehrliche-Gier

    http://www.umweltbundesamt.de/chemik...e_fracking.pdf (read Point 5)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Gently Benevolent View Post
    If you find trimethylbenzenes in an aquifer but no trace of nitrates then you would deduce migration had been upwards rather than downwards?
    How about you just tell us exactly what area you are talking about, and what evidence you have to support your claim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    How about you just tell us exactly what area you are talking about, and what evidence you have to support your claim?
    Read the EPA Pavillion, WY report linked a few posts back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Gently Benevolent View Post
    Read the EPA Pavillion, WY report linked a few posts back.
    A draft report is not a peer-reviewed study, and it seems that the draft report was deeply flawed.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3419...on-methane.htm


    And when one looks at the actual data, it tells a very different story.

    http://www.gazette.com/articles/gues...st-report.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    A draft report is not a peer-reviewed study, and it seems that the draft report was deeply flawed.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3419...on-methane.htm


    And when one looks at the actual data, it tells a very different story.

    http://www.gazette.com/articles/gues...st-report.html
    Whats not being denied is that fracking and drilling chemicals made into that particular aquifer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Gently Benevolent View Post
    Whats not being denied is that fracking and drilling chemicals made into that particular aquifer.
    Let me help you:
    "For the EPA to adequately test their hypothesis that deep groundwater in the Pavillion area is impacted by hydraulic fracturing activities, additional samplings [of wells] is required," read the report.
    That is a straightforward, declarative statement in perfectly clear English, right out of your own cited source material. It is not difficult to grasp what it says, and what it says is the opposite of what you are claiming the report says.

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    For the EPA to adequately test their hypothesis that deep groundwater in the Pavillion area is impacted by hydraulic fracturing activities, additional samplings [of wells] is required," read the report.
    The above quote is from the ibtimes article not the report.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    Let me help you:That is a straightforward, declarative statement in perfectly clear English, right out of your own cited source material. It is not difficult to grasp what it says, and what it says is the opposite of what you are claiming the report says.
    The conclusion of the reports states the following;
    Additional investigation is necessary to determine the areal and vertical extent of shallow and deep ground
    water contamination
    Reading the report is not that difficult but I suppose quoting an editorial is easier.

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