Reply With QuoteArab spring in France!Arab Spring in France!Time to for the muzzies to rise up and destroy the burka ban.
Please stop your evil right-wing racist propaganda, there was no turkish flag during the celebration, here is the proof :Originally Posted by b0sco
Arab spring in France!Arab Spring in France!Time to for the muzzies to rise up and destroy the burka ban.
I wonder if this will not participate to add more pressure on Hollande. He knows the arab community in France is important and that its youth is quick to show its disapproval/anger (riots and so on).
Even if there are no reasons to do so, wouldn't taking measures, creating laws, etc... against these communities (if needed, after "God knows what") create a weakening in Hollande determination?
Yes, I know, "what if" questions...
Ah, once again politics proves to be the world's greatest IQ-killer... So here are my 2 cents to push y'all one notch lower.
So, François Hollande has been elected, and oddly enough the Antechrist hasn't shown up yet, and the Beast hasn't made an impromptu visit to our shores either.
Me, I sure didn't vote for him, because I tend to put individual virtues above collective values, and because I regard personal responsibility higher than obedience to collective rules. But here's the catch, he won the election, fair and square. So I'd rather see him succeed, and France with him, than hope for their common failure as seems to be the most prevalent mood among Conservative doom-sayers on the various news forums I visited. I'm none too impressed by my fellow voters I must say, if the posters' and activists' attitude is to be taken at face value.
Hollande's program sure doesn't thrill me, but facts being pretty headstrong as we say, I'm pretty certain reality will prevail. Some of the promises will be kept, some will be postponed till more favorable circumstances, and some will simply be put to rest with a heavy heart. If that sounds familiar, it's because this is what happens in every election, in every democracy. So we won't have the systematic cancellation of each and every one of Sarkozy reform (the Socialist party has already signaled they won't), the need to balance budgetary issues and economic stimulus will weigh just as heavily on the future government as it did on the current one, and lo and behold we'll even see the end of UMP wailing about "the great flag-waving scandal of 2012" (seriously, UMP, don't you think you have more pressing issues than flag-watching at public events? Like, clearing the rubble and start rebuilding your networks, to, y'know, win elections perhaps?).
The statements from Hollande's top lieutenants haven't exactly been about Social-Democracy and big spending triumphant, it's pretty striking that 12 hours after their champion's clear victory it's all about Europe, the debt, the budget, the economy, and Sapin (IIRC) has clearly said some points in their program would be extremely difficult to enforce. If that is irresponsibility, it's the kind I can live with - and of course they'll have to be judged on their action, not their intention nor their communication.
What worries me more at the moment is the probable recomposition of the political forces in France. Sarkozy's defeat is not particularly remarkable (he wasn't steamrolled as it was heralded), but it paves the way for a possible expansion of the Front National's territory. The more, ah, career-wise of the UMP might decide it's time to reach out to the FN to save their seats, or even to jump ship and join that new, thriving company : Rassemblement Bleu Marine, Ltd, a division of Front National Inc. The rest of the Republican Right could end up too weak to be able to challenge the Socialist Party in the next Presidential/Legislative elections, which means that, for the first time I can remember, and quite possibly for the first time in France's History, the "Great Game" of politics could oppose a Socialist-Centrist force to an enlarged Far Right. That is something to keep an eye on. And on the Left, I'm also curious of what attitude Hollande will take towards the extreme-left, which has become an audible nuisance for the first time in 30 years or so.
Congratulation to France for electing new president.
In my opinion, Le Pen have good chances to be the next president after Hollande.
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@AF
Great post
That' exactly what i think
Congragulations France! Netanyahu's tweet seemed to be pleased and hopeful with our relations in the future.
if you don't think the "flag issue" is a representation of the current problem in france and a sign of things to come, well then I need a big shovel to dig your head out of the sand
So what has been the public reaction in France to this image, or has it been seen much at all? Rest assured, FN will pounce on this. I don't think it needs to be said, but I'll say it anyway...no matter what political stripe you hail from, the above image should be viewed as an affront and condemned. An embarrassment it is.
... It has nothing to do with skepticism. It has to do with lack of understanding. There will not be a 75% flat tax. There is not 45% IRPP currently and Hollande will not *tax the rich to death*. These are facts. Not derision. For derision, I just need to see who is calling French Socialists names. Fix your deficit, your Banking sector, Political circus and then you might have a shot at deriding Europe.
Who said it was for free? Most of these countries are hurt because they are unable to reach a balance between revenues and expenditures, not because they spend too much. Greece has an obvious probelm of fiscal evasion. If you loose a minimum of 13 billion euros annually to fraud (estimates put the evasion at 25/30% GDP - 50+ billion) then your issue is not the spending, it is your fiscal enforcing.
Actually there is only one country that had followed the IMF guidelines and made a leap forward. That was Chile...
Germany has dropped minimal wages and works an CBAs. Germany has this issue brewing on its flank. Its minimal wages (roughly 6 million people) are paid less than in France. That is a given.
I will not go further with your non-sense, just offer this advice. Learn English.
I'm not that sure. Hollande did not get many centrist votes from what I read on holidays, explaining a much narrower victory than expected. The socialists cannot have a meaningful alliance with centrists (scattered away among UMP and MODEM) without doing the same work the right has to do with the national front. Sure, a thrid of MODEM would go with them, but for more centrists to come, they need a more pragmatic economic policy and in my personal opinion provide a better guarantee of non alliance with non democratic parties, something that does not seem to be a concern on the left side of the political scale.
I regret Sarko followed Buisson, the narrow score displays just how much people in the end started thinking a little. If Sarkozy had held a realistic speech, like he did during the debate (that eveidently narrowed down Hollande's advance), I think it could have been done.
But hey, as you, life goes on though UMP will have a tough time for the parliamentary elections that is for sure.
The UMP's pinning the "ZOMG foreign and Red flags" issue on Hollande is downright stupid.
The FN's Aliot had this much right : we've seen such flags at every presidential election since I can remember... Now if people want to fight the "communautarization" of the French society, there again are more important issues to tackle than to feign outrage at the waving of non-Tricolore flags, methinks.
i'm not pinning it on him, he didn't wave them
but they were there and shouldn't be ignored since like said, they are a perfect representation of the problems in France
Well it were the conservatives who created this problem in first place by letting mass immigration happen. And it doesnt seem that neither them nor socialist did something about this problem.
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