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    Quote Originally Posted by twinblade View Post
    Still cheaper than the Indian Mirage upgrade.
    Again. Don't forget Taiwan's military air power needs. France remains a reliable country for good military supplies, now with a new democratic President (congrats Mr. Pr. Hollande), if you know what I mean.
    The Mirage fleet is a good asset. At their best standard, using state of the art technology, like the famous RDY-2 radar, they will be greatly appreciated.
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    I'm not sure if I read it on Jane's or Defense News, but I thought the final price tag was closer to $3.7B. The $5.3B package in the LoA included lots of items not requested or wanted by Taiwan.

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    Guys these are top of the line upgrade stuffs
    $3.7B would be a bargain for Taiwan, which is something the US should actually do, considering the widening gap of Air Power between the ROC and PRC

    $5.3B would be a purely business price, if Taiwan really think they need it, it's a fair price
    Coming out and asking for a lower price means they are still trying to squeeze cost down and not that desperate in the upgrade deal and capability

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    In today's news, NMD says the price will be USD$3.7B, deal will be signed in this summer
    the package includes AESA, JHMCS, AIM-9X, JDAMs, new targeting pods, EW suite, WCMDs, but not new engines
    ROCAF will decide which AESA to use after USAF and South Korea

    Northnrop Grumman and Raytheon says their AESA solution just need to swap LRUs and antenna
    but I seriously doubt that
    they always find ways to charge you more

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    good news, that will put some serious teeth and claws on the ROCAF

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    $3.7B!? Can anyone post a link? That's one hell of a bargain.

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    According to my rough numbers the trade imbalance with Taiwan since 1985 is 343 billion. Last year alone it was 15 bill.
    Taiwan bitchin about peanuts, Confucious say Taiwan need to look at big picture.

    http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5830.html

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    France remains a reliable country for good military supplies, now with a new democratic President (congrats M. Pr. Hollande), if you know what I mean.
    In case you havent noticed, he's a Socialist

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    Quote Originally Posted by tea drinker View Post
    According to my rough numbers the trade imbalance with Taiwan since 1985 is 343 billion. Last year alone it was 15 bill.
    Taiwan bitchin about peanuts, Confucious say Taiwan need to look at big picture.

    http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5830.html
    Trade imbalance is just a statistic.
    Dumping US T bills much more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by impreza View Post
    In today's news, NMD says the price will be USD$3.7B, deal will be signed in this summer
    the package includes AESA, JHMCS, AIM-9X, JDAMs, new targeting pods, EW suite, WCMDs, but not new engines
    ROCAF will decide which AESA to use after USAF and South Korea

    Northnrop Grumman and Raytheon says their AESA solution just need to swap LRUs and antenna
    but I seriously doubt that
    they always find ways to charge you more
    Hmm, no AMRAAMs?

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    I don't have english links...
    http://www.libertytimes.com.tw/2012/...6/today-p1.htm

    and yes, there will be more AMRAAMs and Link-16 terminals

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    Quote Originally Posted by impreza View Post
    I don't have english links...
    http://www.libertytimes.com.tw/2012/...6/today-p1.htm

    and yes, there will be more AMRAAMs and Link-16 terminals
    Thanks for the link. It helps a lot. Google will translate it for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    In case you havent noticed, he's a Socialist
    Yes and is also somewhat similar to a democrat party, in France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by impreza View Post
    I don't have english links...
    http://www.libertytimes.com.tw/2012/...6/today-p1.htm

    and yes, there will be more AMRAAMs and Link-16 terminals
    Niiice..... For US$3.7b, it's a good bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdiver_2000 View Post
    Trade imbalance is just a statistic.
    Dumping US T bills much more interesting.
    Trade imbalance costs jobs, it's not just a statistic. US has made some reforms in it's industries some of which (e.g. GM) seem to be getting more efficient and profitable. China's automakers are starting to struggle. Don't forget you are talking about an independent currency, worst case scenario US straps on another couple of turbo on the magic printing press.
    Or maybe they do that AND start building B-1 B-2 F-22 ABM again. The US isn't go to go hungry and it's not going away, even the deficit is manageable if there is political will for it. Where will China be in 10 years time?

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