Reply With QuoteDenmark pulled out - Sorry Germany. Our politicians are morons..
NATO Programme - Germany is to pay half a billion for drones
http://translate.google.com/translat...26prmd%3DimvnsThe drone program is NATO for Germany much more expensive than planned and approved by the Bundestag. Because some allies are bailed, to Berlin, close the cost gap. It is about many millions of euros.
So before it was 1.2 for 8 Global hawks and now its 1.5 for 5? If i understand right then its separate order from Germanies Eurohawk that was 5 drones for much(other sources name not that much) less money?
Denmark pulled out - Sorry Germany. Our politicians are morons..
no worry... for Germany and Italy there are another 1.5-2 (of 3.5) billions of dollars failure in the airOriginally Posted by The Dane
Future Looking Grim For Meads, Good for Patriot
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....-01-453801.xml
Last edited by syncro; 05-08-2012 at 04:08 PM.
In another reason I said Germany should just under no circumstance increase defence spending. Here is another reason why.
I think defence spending right now in Europe will need to be better managed and be less of an important issue, being that each nation has to focus more on more important matters like the debt situation.
We should buy them for ourself then and not NATO, maybe we could let use NATO them but under our conditions.
Does Germany even need them? It already purchased Eurohawks. It could have purchased more of them for less money if they wished for more of them.
Germany wanted to have more Hawks anyway - the EuroHawks are Sigint platforms only (replacing the old Breguet Atlantic planes) - they still need some for the traditional GlobalHawk spectrum of missions.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutsc...-a-832288.html
The German Parliament has just dropped the proposa, l the budget for the program did not pass.
Well this was to expect. Its image damage, but one cannot push a program despite it costs. Things will have to be reworked.
Btw. how do cost rises come in such projects? I just dont see how cost can rise that high in such short timeframe.
Costs rise because there is no competition in defense industry.
A normal defense contract always understates the cost so politicians can justify signing it.
Imagine a second tier auto parts supplier telling the OEM: "sorry but the product will be 2 years later and cost twice as much".
There's only one industry in which this is possible and it is defense.
Isnt there way to set rules? Normally when you buy things you pay what you have agreed upon when signing a contract. If costs for company rise, then sorry for them, but you still only gonna pay them what you agreed upon. Cost rise is their problem, not yours(beside cost doe to you demanding some changes, but that is it)
Some explanation is lack of competition, but I another part is the fact that replacement cycles in defense are quite long and hence the margins in a peacetime environment are simply not high enough for modern investors.
People buy new cars far more often than nations buy new fighter jets.
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