Dutch Navy adding frigate to ATALANTA anti piracy contribution

[RSone]

The Dutch naval frigate HNLMS Evertsen is leaving for Somali waters on Thursday to combat piracy as part of NATO mission Ocean Shield. The mission begins in June.
According to the Dutch Defence Ministry, the warship has 223 people on board, including sailors and helicopter pilots. A Lynx helicopter will join the mission to patrol the waters around the ship.
HNLMS Van Amstel is currently stationed off the Somali coast. The Dutch frigate is participating in the EU anti-piracy mission Atalanta. Later in the year, HNLMS Rotterdam will sail to Somali, accompanied by two Cougar helicopters and an unmanned drone, which can be used for scouting tasks.
At the beginning of April, the Dutch cabinet agreed to expand the EU anti-piracy mission, which includes air attacks on pirate camps on the coast. Troops are not, however, authorised to go on land to fight pirates.
The EU and NATO anti-piracy missions began in 2008. The Dutch navy is part of operations preventing pirates from hijacking ships and ransoming their crews or cargo. The Netherlands also deploys armed troops on merchant ships to protect them.

http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/d...n-nato-mission

Evertsen(F802) Here seen next to De Ruyter(F805)

[RSone]

Just noticed I referred to the wrong op in the title, heh

[Cava NL]

good hunting

[gastrion]

damn those ships are as wide as a ticonderoga... they're pretty damn huge!
Still puzzles me why you dutch call it a frigate.

[RSone]

damn those ships are as wide as a ticonderoga... they're pretty damn huge!
Still puzzles me why you dutch call it a frigate.

Political reasons. Plus, I believe the RNLN retired the term 'torpedobootjager' (Destroyer in Dutch) a long time ago. They're about a meter and a half wider, but ~30 meter shorter than a Tico. Arleigh Burkes are another 2 meters wider, if you're into big girls

[gastrion]

not only are they big, but they're sexy as well

Are they endangered by any future cuts, that would be too much of a shame for both the RNLN and the ABNL...

Also i believe the danes cloned them

[RSone]

not only are they big, but they're sexy as well

Are they endangered by any future cuts, that would be too much of a shame for both the RNLN and the ABNL...

Also i believe the danes cloned them

You sure have an obsession with stuff being cut.
And no. Cutting them would play havoc with the RNLN's strategic vision. Between command facilities and being highly capable ABM platforms, they're not going anywhere anytime soon. The oldest is only 10 years, the newest only 7.

EDIT: Honestly, I don't think the Huitfeldt class looks that much alike. The Absalon looks like a fatter DZP, and the Huitfeldts seem to be an evolution of that design. Sources on the interwebz, for how reliable they may or not be, claim that the DZP's are much more expensive at $532 million a piece, placing the Huitfeldts at $332 million. The RNLN and DMO invest considerable time in manufacturing efficiency for large products, but considering the same sources claim the Sachsen class(German LCF project counterpart of the DZP's) cost a whopping $1,06 billion, the figure might be off.

[gastrion]

You sure have an obsession with stuff being cut.

Just trying to get a clear picture of the dutch armed forces' future since my newly found interest in their, i mean 'our', military.
And the future doesn't look too bright with the SP being the new largest party.

And believe it or not their vision for the dutch navy is one without submarines, frigates or "destroyers", but rather that of an 'army' of peace. Seems like 'the men who stare at goats' made a big impression on them

Edit: The Huitfeldt looks nearly the same from a side view

And please forgive me for these questions, for I am but a n00b when it comes to living in the Netherlands, I came here this semester to study from your beloved Caribbean 'Colonies'.

[RSone]

Just trying to get a clear picture of the dutch armed forces' future since my newly found interest in their, i mean 'our', military.
And the future doesn't look too bright with the SP being the new largest party.

And believe it or not their vision for the dutch navy is one without submarines, frigates or "destroyers", but rather that of an 'army' of peace. Seems like 'the men who stare at goats' made a big impression on them

Even though I don't like the SP, even they'll discover the realities of coalition government and geopolitics will dilute most of their more batty plans.

[gastrion]

Even though I don't like the SP, even they'll discover the realities of coalition government and geopolitics will dilute most of their more batty plans.

Considering that even the VVD continued to destroy the army my hopes aren't high.
Unless the euro crisis and the dutch recession end soon I foresee no huge new projects like new subs or frigates.
And the ''kaasschaaf'' will gradually kill the armed forces.

But I, Rstone, am a pessimist not to be taken all that seriously, especially considering I have no political insight whatsoever an my dutch sounds like i immigrated a mere moth ago

[RSone]

Considering that even the VVD continued to destroy the army my hopes aren't high.
Unless the euro crisis and the dutch recession end soon I foresee no huge new projects like new subs or frigates.
And the ''kaasschaaf'' will gradually kill the armed forces.

But I, Rstone, am a pessimist not to be taken all that seriously, especially considering I have no political insight whatsoever an my dutch sounds like i immigrated a mere moth ago

I'm not familiar with the SP's program, but these cuts are still preferable to having NO armed forces whatsoever. When you consider that much of the budgetary problems of this (now demissionary) cabinet were caused by the previous cabinet bailing out banks to the tune of tens of billions of euros, and that they had to govern with one hand tied behind their back thanks to the PVV riding them like a monkey, I'm not sure we can blame the VVD all that much. No cuts on defense would have met cuts somewhere else, though i'd like to have seen a serious re-evaluation of our foreign aid policy, which seems to be accomplishing sweet F all, yet still costs several billion each year..

EDIT: Running a couple of recalcitrant islands halfway across the world without them knowing it also costs money, y'know?

[gastrion]

Ok point proven lol, just goes to show my shallow insight in dutch politics (extremely complex for a 40.000m2 country )

EDIT: Running a couple of recalcitrant islands halfway across the world without them knowing it also costs money, y'know?

Ungrateful work since they (curacao in particular) hate the dutch, and as i have mentioned on this forum before, it''s generally unfair to dutch people that I can study here for free lol + you have a marine, a navy, an army and an air force detachment stationed in the west. I'd say you guys ditch curacao, but mcspoiltbasterd wouldn't be too happy about that i fear...

[RSone]

Ok point proven lol, just goes to show my shallow insight in dutch politics (extremely complex for a 40.000m2 country )



Ungrateful work since they (curacao in particular) hate the dutch, and as i have mentioned on this forum before, it''s generally unfair to dutch people that I can study here for free lol + you have a marine, a navy, an army and an air force detachment stationed in the west. I'd say you guys ditch curacao, but mcspoiltbasterd wouldn't be too happy about that i fear...

Sell that **** to the Americans, let them run the counter drugs ops.
What do you mean studying for free? As far as I know, there's still tuition. Hell, it's been increasing by a 10-20 euros each year for a while now.

[gastrion]

Sell that **** to the Americans, let them run the counter drugs ops.
What do you mean studying for free? As far as I know, there's still tuition. Hell, it's been increasing by a 10-20 euros each year for a while now.

Through all sorts of "ontwikkelingshulp"/decolonization agreements my study costs as less than a dutch students study would... which is total BS
also VWO-eisen are a lot lower on aruba, A LOT lower, any idiot can do vwo there as i said before.

And when moving to holland i was treated like the dutch gov owed me something which was handy

Edit: apart from chavez no one wants them, but lets not enter that topic again lol

[RSone]

Through all sorts of "ontwikkelingshulp"/decolonization agreements my study costs as less than a dutch students study would... which is total BS
also VWO-eisen are a lot lower on aruba, A LOT lower, any idiot can do vwo there as i said before.

And when moving to holland i was treated like the dutch gov owed me something which was handy

Well, if the Curacaoan Prime Minister really turns out to be a crook, perhaps there'll be enough motivation here to , ehm, 'redress the balance' a little.