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    Being myself a far right adherent I am extremely worried about those retarded freaks.
    Let's be clear, those people has nothing in common even with let's say FN, PVO, or Jobbik i.e. extreme nationalist parties but with a modern agenda and themes.
    Even more, those people have nothing to do even with same Greek history or the european neofascism itself as their idols are taken directly from Third Reich (throught american suprematism mentoring) with just some "olimpian" instead than "wahalalla" neopaganesim savouring.
    For the rest it seems that in that unlucky country that Greece is, shadows of the darkest european past are still well persistent as the existence of a still Stalinian communist party seem to confirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80 EAN View Post
    I bet you also forget what nazis did to our country
    Did you forget what the communists did to it and the rest of Europe? And yet nobody is making it an issue that the communist parties came in 2nd place just a couple of percentage points behind the first party. It's just an election result either way, no need to make it any more significant than what it is.

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    The dawn of gold shall block out the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post

    Dear God
    Are you so unaware of world"s history ?
    Well your history knowledge is biased as hell. Communists indeed killed more than Nazis but alas both "left wing" ideologies are to the core evil. And like valtrex wrote educate yourself about communism and Greek history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiorellabel View Post
    Let's be clear, those people has nothing in common even with let's say FN, PVO, or Jobbik i.e. extreme nationalist parties but with a modern agenda and themes.
    That's just a window treatment, but they are all effectively the same. What's the "modern" agenda, that we're talking about Muslims and non-European immigrants instead of indigenous ethnic/religious/political "opponents"?

    For the rest it seems that in that unlucky country that Greece is, shadows of the darkest european past are still well persistent as the existence of a still Stalinian communist party seem to confirm.
    Excellent observation!

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    This thread done went full retard. OUT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhael View Post
    Well your history knowledge is biased as hell. Communists indeed killed more than Nazis but alas both "left wing" ideologies are to the core evil. And like valtrex wrote educate yourself about communism and Greek history.
    WTF ?
    Where did i say that communists were white angels
    I was resetting the things about the relationship between GD ideology as well as ideography and their "nazis" ancestors (in term of political precedence)
    So don't put words in my mouth and learn to read and understand english

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    Quote Originally Posted by valtrex View Post
    Actually Mordoror, Mechin is right (or almost right) if you look at it from a Greek viewpoint; our leftists have never been sofa-revolutionaries; our left has always been/is militant, they took up arms and we went to a bloody civil war (it was was more costly than WWII in human lives) in the '40's. We had left-wing terrorism in the '80's. Remember what happened in winter of '08 with the Grigoropoulos murder:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Greek_riots

    The 2008 riots were backed by the then, radical left leadership.
    I know that very well Valtrex
    However this thread has turned in (again) "look what the communists did, so why bother about some neo nazis. They can't be worse. So why bother"
    You'll excuse me to beg to differ here.
    It bothers me anyway
    And the reactions in this thread too.
    A lot of people have lost their lifes in Europe to fight that ideology (including in your country). And now it is just regarded as something, well, not worse than some far-left wackos. I guess that soon, AH would be turned in some kind of European knight protecting Europe from Bolchevism and to hell with his racist ideology that led to the industrialized dead of several millions of people just because they were of a "different" race (BTW that pun is not directed to you, i know that you are more aware of those things than some posters here)

    PS : i ll just remember to some greek posters here that in Nazi ideology, Greek people didn't fared too high, being a degenerated lazy mediteranean race

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    @mechin

    That's just a window treatment, but they are all effectively the same. What's the "modern" agenda, that we're talking about Muslims and non-European immigrants instead of indigenous ethnic/religious/political "opponents"?
    They are not the same
    Your closest thing to the FN, PVO, Vlaams Belangs etc would be LAOS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    However this thread has turned in (again) "look what the communists did, so why bother about some neo nazis. They can't be worse. So why bother"
    You'll excuse me to beg to differ here.
    That's not what is being argued. I'm just saying that the sky is not falling just because one party that embraces authoritarian views enters parliament (as others have been for years as well, and enjoy much larger support). If anyone has a problem with these parties getting votes, then push the mainstream parties to follow the laws regarding illegal immigration. So far the only time "center-right" parties have bothered with the illegal immigration issue (actually the crime that stems from it) is when they need a populist boost in the polls (like Berlusconi and Sarkozy did some moons ago).

    In the US we're having the same issue with the Federal government, which is why some nutjobs feel the need to play cop/border agent. If you don't want these nutjobs to get support, then do your job (as a government) and enforce the laws which protect the citizens. THAT should be the focus of this thread rather than why a marginal party managed to get into some parliament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechin View Post
    That's not what is being argued. I'm just saying that the sky is not falling just because one party that embraces authoritarian views enters parliament (as others have been for years as well, and enjoy much larger support). If anyone has a problem with these parties getting votes, then push the mainstream parties to follow the laws regarding illegal immigration. So far the only time "center-right" parties have bothered with the illegal immigration issue (actually the crime that stems from it) is when they need a populist boost in the polls (like Berlusconi and Sarkozy did some moons ago).

    In the US we're having the same issue with the Federal government, which is why some nutjobs feel the need to play cop/border agent. If you don't want these nutjobs to get support, then do your job (as a government) and enforce the laws which protect the citizens. THAT should be the focus of this thread rather than why a marginal party managed to get into some parliament.
    The problem is that the greek political landscape has others minor parties that are authoritarians, anti illegal immigration, nationalists and protective of greek culture
    see my post about the LAOS (and that's one example)
    Why not voting for them then
    The symbol here is strong when you have a party openly embracing III Reich ideology reaching power. But again we have to see if the popular suppot to this party is intended to last (and THAT would be worrisome) or is going to fade away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    The problem is that the greek political landscape has others minor parties that are authoritarians, anti illegal immigration, nationalists and protective of greek culture
    see my post about the LAOS (and that's one example)
    Why not voting for them then
    y
    LAOS's leader did a lot of mistakes in the last year or else they would have gotten all the votes that went to Golden Dawn. People that voted for LAOS in the previous elections are now disgusted with its hypocricy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    I know that very well Valtrex
    However this thread has turned in (again) "look what the communists did, so why bother about some neo nazis. They can't be worse. So why bother"
    You'll excuse me to beg to differ here.
    It bothers me anyway
    And the reactions in this thread too.
    A lot of people have lost their lifes in Europe to fight that ideology (including in your country). And now it is just regarded as something, well, not worse than some far-left wackos. I guess that soon, AH would be turned in some kind of European knight protecting Europe from Bolchevism and to hell with his racist ideology that led to the industrialized dead of several millions of people just because they were of a "different" race (BTW that pun is not directed to you, i know that you are more aware of those things than some posters here)
    Please don't get me wrong, I detest fascism and I hate Nazism. I'm very worrisome about the rise of neo-nazism but I'm afraid that in my country the financial crisis feeds extremists on both sides of the political spectrum; "Antarsya" (Anticapitalist Left Cooperation for the Overthrow; the name is a pun for "mutiny") a radical left party with revolutionary socialism and Trotskysm (radical revolution) at its core ideology, took three times more votes than in the 2009 election. I fear that the experiment carried out by the EU and IMF failed. The rat lab is going mad and might spread its malady to neighbours.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    PS : i ll just remember to some greek posters here that in Nazi ideology, Greek people didn't fared too high, being a degenerated lazy mediteranean race
    Yes, Nazis considered us a degenerate race, our "glorious" Greek blood had been polluted by the Slavic untermensch
    They also had plans of transporting all Greeks from Greece (we were 7.5-7.7 mil people then) to N. Africa and colonizing the country with pure-blooded Aryans [IMG]http://i51.*******.com/24edtzp.gif[/IMG]

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    Please don't get me wrong, I detest fascism and I hate Nazism.
    Valtrex, i never douted about that

    I'm afraid that in my country the financial crisis feeds extremists on both sides of the political spectrum
    That's very true
    Unfortunately that's very true seemingly everywhere in Europe
    It is very speaking that we had on the first round of our presidential election a cumulated percentage of around 30% of voters (18.5 % for the far right, 11,1 % for the far left)
    Interesting time we are living in it seems
    I just hope that the old chinese saying doesn't go further

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamazz View Post
    scary historical overtones, tough austerity followed by a fascist political party rising in the polls.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=E4AXJx3IzdY

    Whether it's the Communists or Fascists you see how over the top they are. It's like a parody or comedy sketch.

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