Reply With QuoteCould be that the crew disabled GPWS for the demo flight.. the weather there does change there fast, I've seen clouds completely cover Mount Agung in minutes..Originally Posted by DippaH
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Could be that the crew disabled GPWS for the demo flight.. the weather there does change there fast, I've seen clouds completely cover Mount Agung in minutes..
We'll get the news of their fate most likely within 24 hours. It may take weeks or months to decipher why it happened.
Interpreting Flight Data and Cockpit Voice Recorder Data usually takes some time.
A real thorough report will take months.
They can rule out certain causes within days of finding the recorders and downloading the data from them (that it was not a bomb etc) but as I said for today's media this goes too slowly. By the time there are definitive conclusions their attention is somewhere else.
It would have been foolish of the crew to disable the GPWS/EPGWS during a demo flight - there is no advantage in doing so, unless we're taking about a low flyby or something similar (which again is unlikely given the surrounding terrain and weather). On the other hand, nothing can be ruled out at this point - weirder things have happened.
Again; we'll have to wait for the investigation boards to investigate before we know more.
Yeah, the clouds in those mountainous areas are often very low, and can appear very quickly
RIP to the victims.
Article continued @ Aviation WeekSuperjet Crash Search Suspended
By Robert Wall wall@aviationweek.com
Source: AWIN First
May 09 , 2012
Indonesian officials have temporarily halted the search for wreckage of a Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Corp. Superjet 100 regional jet due to poor weather and darkness.
Contact with the aircraft was lost a few minutes after the regional jet departed Halim Pedanakusumah Airport in Jakarta. The aircraft had made a previous tour and departed Halim for another demonstration flight at 2:20, local official say. Last contact with the aircraft was around 2:33 p.m. local time with the aircraft descending from 10,000 ft. to 6,000 ft., according to the Indonesian search and rescue agency says. The crash site is believed to be in the vicinity of Mount Salak, with the agency giving the last know coordinates as 106 43’ 15” East and 06 43’ 08” South.
Depending on the aircraft type, it is normal to disable certain equipment during test flights, however everybody calls this flight a demo flight, not a test flight which is different thing.
Very sad news.
According to some unproved data two phones were operational. But no one responded to...
I'm aware about the limitations of test flights, since i have attended a few myself -test flights are also very limited when it comes to passengers allowed on board. All the info I've been able to dig up points on this flight being, as you said, a demo flight for a number of asian operators, which really makes it tragic.
This is real bad. Hope someone survived...
Let's not bury their fate with 'RIP' messages until we know for sure.
Provisional list of Sukhoi passengers
Kompas.com has released a list of the 36 Indonesian passengers believed to have been on board the missing Sukhoi Superjet 100 airliner, they are as follows with their respective organizations in brackets: 1. Kornel M. Sihombing (Dirgantara Indonesia),
2. Edie Satiyo (Pelita Air),
3. Darwin Pelawi (Pelita Air),
4. Gatot Purwoko (Airfast),
5. Budi Rizal (Putra Arta Dirgantara),
6. Syafrudin (Carpedrem Mardin),
7. Peter Adler (Sriwijaya),
8. Herman Suladji (Air Maleo),
9. Donardi Rahman (Aviastar),
10. Eloni (Kartika),
11. Hurdiana Widjanda (Kartika),
12. Arief Wahyudi (TR),
13. Nam Tran (Snecma),
14. Ruli Dermawan (Indo Asia),
15. Ahmad Fazal (Indo Asia),
16. Insan Kamil (Indo Asia),
17. Edward Edo (Indo Asia),
18. Ismie (Trans TV),
19. Aditya Sukardi (Trans TV),
20. Indra Halim (PT KAI),
21. Rietyan S. (PT KAI),
22. Dody Aviantara (Angkasa),
23. Don Yusuf (Angkasa),
24. Femi (Bloomberg),
25. Stephen Kamaci (Indo Asia),
26. Capt. Aan (Kartika),
27. Yusuf Ariwibowo (Sky),
28. Maria Marcella (Sky),
29. Henny Stevani (Sky),
30. Mai Syarah (Sky),
31. Dewi Mutiara (Sky),
32. Sussana Vamella (Sky),
33. Nur Ilmawati (Sky),
34. Rossy Withan (Sky),
35. Anggi (Sky),
36. Aditya (Sky).
According to the Russian Embassy’s press attaché, Dmitri Solodov, of the 46 passengers on board the airliner, eight of them were Russians whose names had not yet been officially released.
The Sukhoi Superjet 100 airliner en route to Pelabuhan Ratu lost contact with Halim Pedanakusumah Airport somewhere above Mt. Salak in Bogor, West Java. The last contact was made at about 2:33 p.m. Jakarta time (GMT +7).(iwa)
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...assengers.html
Rain, Darkness Complicate Search of Russian Missing PlaneThe darkness, fog and rain complicate the search of Russia’s Sukhoi Superjet-100, which went missing on Wednesday on a demonstration flight near Jakarta, a spokesman of aeronautical airspace control in Indonesia said.
The plane has failed to return to the airport after a demonstration flight. Shortly before radio contact was lost, 20 minutes after takeoff, the pilots had requested permission to descend from 10,000 feet (3,000 meters) to 6,000 feet (1,800 meters), air traffic controllers said. After it was cleared for descent the plane started turning right and descending but then disappeared from the radar screens at an altitude of 6,200 feet in a mountainous area 60 kilometers from Jakarta.
The spokesman said that the plain disappeared in the area of Mount Salak, which is 7,254 feet (2,211 meters) high.
There are 44 people on board, including eight Russians and 36 foreign nationals. The Russian Embassy in Jakarta said that in addition to the Russian crew, there were only citizens of Indonesia on board.
Crisis Staff however reported that there were 50 people on board, including eight Russians, two Italians, one French and one American citizens and 38 citizens of Indonesia.
Sukhoi Superjet-100 was fully functional, United Aircraft Corporation reported on Wednesday.
Indonesian authorities suggested the airplane may have been hijacked or crashed into a mountain in poor visibility.
By the time the plane was due to return it should have burned up its fuel.
Earlier in the day the SSJ-100 carried out two demonstration flights in the Indonesian capital as the manufacturer said Pakistan’s Air Indus has shown an interest in purchasing eight SSJ-100s.
The SSJ-100 arrived in Jakarta as part of a demonstration tour of six Asian countries. It has been to Myanmar, Pakistan and Kazakhstan, and after Indonesia was due to visit Laos and Vietnam.
The Superjet 100 is a medium-haul passenger aircraft developed by Sukhoi in cooperation with U.S. and European aviation corporations, including Boeing, Snecma, Thales, Messier Dowty, Liebherr Aerospace and Honeywell.
Sad news. Hoping for the best.
Full article: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...-mt-salak.htmlPlane missing over Mt. Salak
Novan Iman Santosa and Irawaty Wardany, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Thu, 05/10/2012 8:25 AM
Authorities have revealed that the last known position of the missing Russian airliner was over the base of Mt. Salak in West Java before it lost contact with Halim Perdanakusuma Airport.
The National Search and Rescue Agency (Basarnas) chief, Vice Marshal Daryatmo said the last known position of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 was at 06 43’08” South, 106 43’15” East. The coordinates refer to the vicinity of Cidahu village in Sukabumi regency, West Java, the base of Mt. Salak.
The last contact with the airport was made at 2:33 p.m. Jakarta time (GMT +7) after the pilots requested permission to descend from 10,000 feet to 6,000 feet.
There was an unconfirmed report that villagers had found airplane wreckage on the slopes of Mt. Salak near Cidahu.
Daryatmo told a press conference on Wednesday evening that his agency would send three helicopters to the location on Thursday morning, leaving at 7 a.m. Basarnas had to recall two of its helicopters on Wednesday afternoon due to bad weather.
He said the missing aircraft took off at 2:12 p.m. from Halim, planning to head south to Pelabuhan Ratu in Sukabumi, West Java, before returning to Halim.
Also speaking at the press conference was Sunaryo from PT Tri Marga Rekatama, Sukhoi’s agent in Indonesia. He confirmed there were 50 people, 42 passengers and eight Russian crew on the ill-fated flight.
Earliest reports said the aircraft carried 44 people including the crew while later the number was increased to 46 people.
According to the manifest, on board the flight, the second of the day, were journalists from Angkasa aviation magazine, Bloomberg news agency and Trans TV. Vice president of business integration at the state aircraft maker, Kornel M. Sihombing, was also listed as being on board.
Separately, Transportation Ministry Air Transportation director general Herry Bhakti Gumay could not confirm the sub-100 seater aircraft had crashed, despite it being missing for more than four hours.
“We cannot declare that the plane crashed into the ground because we do not have enough evidence to prove it,” Herry told The Jakarta Post over the phone on Wednesday.
He said that the government maintained the status as “missing”.
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