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    Aerof*ot Fires Stewardess for SSJ Crash Tweet

    11:43 11/05/2012
    MOSCOW, May 11 (RIA Novosti)

    A stewardess from Russia's largest airline, Aerof*ot, was fired after leaving a derogatory comment on her Twitter page about the fatal crash of a Russian-made Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft in Indonesia on Wednesday, Forbes reported on Thursday.

    Aerof*ot owns six Sukhoi Superjet 100s similar to the one which slammed into a steep mountainside at Mount Salak, outside Jakarta, during a demonstration flight. All forty five people on board are feared dead, including eight Russians, one American, one French, two Italians and 33 Indonesians.

    The flight attendant named Ekaterina Solovyova, wrote on her Twitter page: “Huh? Did a Superjet crash? Hahaha! This aircraft sucks, it’s a pity it wasn’t in Aerof*ot, that would be one less.”

    Other Twitter users took a screenshot and sent a complaint to Aerof*ot. Solovyova removed her comments, and then deleted all the pages in social networks, but the airline sacked her.

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20120511/173387885.html

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    So innappropriate that Aer oflot turns into Aeot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bro Jangles View Post
    So innappropriate that Aer oflot turns into Aeot.
    Yeah, but then again, you can disable emo-icons by checking the [Disable Smiles in text] box in miscellaneous options on the Advanced Post screen.

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    Situational awareness might be looked into. Flying in IFR conditions, getting lost is what happened to AA 965 when it became lost on approach to Cali and struck a mountain.
    Navigational errors either from beacons on the ground or some mistake made by the pilots just after takeoff also might be looked into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamming_Python View Post
    I don't have an agenda against it as such. Just someone fked up as usual.

    I'm sure that it would be no problem for Bulava ballistic missile tests or whatever; they can just fix it and get the next version out.
    Not how it works though if you want to build your own airliners.
    But you don't even know how it was tested or why it crashed.
    I'm working in software quality assurance and I can tell you first hand, there's no error-free work. On the other hand in aviation there are strict standards for testing. They don't guarantee the product to be free of errors either, but the point is, airliners play by the same safety rules/standards. Comparing the SSJ project with Bulava is pointless. Different tech, different purpose, different rules, different everything.
    Google for well known bugs to find all the high cost, high profile projects which ended in disaster due to errors slipping through the grid regardless.
    I've concentrated on Software because that's where I know a few bits and pieces - I'm sure there are similar standards for everything else that might go wrong and these things still will go wrong every now and then.
    It's also not like aircraft full of important people didn't crash before due to human error (Polish presidential aircraft for a recent example).
    My suggestion: wait for investigation results, don't throw poo at anybody until then. Sukhoi will have enough people blaming them by default already, especially the usual haters, I'm sure you're more reasonable than that.

    An anecdote:
    During my studies I've visited an air-control tower at the local airport and they were trying a new Software (even had a japanese dude who was one of the developers sit there just in case something goes wrong ) when I've talked to my professor for software quality about it he said "Thanks for telling me - now I know which airport to avoid for the next 2 years" - New products are always risky - no matter who makes it or where. No need to buy into the "Russia makes crap products" mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trikora88 View Post
    Suka is as suka does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakfast in Vegas View Post
    Suka is as suka does.
    Too kind to call her that. I have much, much stronger words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakfast in Vegas View Post
    Suka is as suka does.
    Indeed, well deserved just on grounds of common decency.

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    Indonesia's Air Traffic Control, Jakarta Branch, reported, that communication between ATC and aircraft was done in English, there was no language problem hampering communication. The aircraft had been in the area of Bogor, approximate coordinates S6.55 E106.9, about 13nm north of the peak of Mount Salak and 7nm clear of mountaineous terrain in safe flat area, when the crew requested to descend from 10,000 to 6,000 feet and to perform a right orbit. As there was no reason to decline such a clearance the flight was cleared down and for the right orbit. This was the last transmissioon from the aircraft, the aircraft could not be reached afterwards. It is unclear how the aircraft got into the area of Mount Salak and crashed afterwards, ATC services hope the black boxes will explain how the aircraft got there. All data including flight plan, radar data and ATC recordings as well as transcripts of interviews with the air traffic controller have been handed to Indonesia's NTSC.
    http://avherald.com/h?article=44f464f7

    Another trajectory guess:

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    They've found it:

    Indonesia Finds SuperJet Black Box

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    Source: AWIN First

    May 16 , 2012


    Indonesia’s national search and rescue agency has found the black box flight recorder from the Sukhoi Superjet 100 that crashed during a demonstration flight killing all 45 people on board, an agency official said on Wednesday.

    The aircraft crashed on May 9 on the slopes of a dormant volcano about 40 miles (64 km) south of Jakarta.

    Those on the flight included Indonesian businessmen, Russian embassy officials and journalists.
    Article continued @ Aviation Week

    €dit: Another news article with some more information:

    Crashed Superjet 100 cockpit voice recorder found

    By: Mavis Toh Singapore


    The cockpit voice recorder of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft that crashed into a mountain in Indonesia on 9 May has been recovered.

    The voice recorder was retrieved on 15 May, six days after the crash, because of the "difficult terrain" investigators and search teams had to navigate through, says Mardjono Siswosuwarno, the case's chief investigator from Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee (NTSC).
    Article continued @ Flightglobal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashko View Post
    It's just the way most would react to the situation - 99% chance of being canned vs. a very distant possibility of something going wrong. Add to that a fact that such practice of letting the potential clients to "have a little fun" during closed demos seems to the norm for the industry.
    I'd rather have the potential client have a little fun in daylight and over the sea or flat terrain, to be frank, unless the potential client is also an experienced airline pilot.

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    Very interesting attempt to analyze available facts and answer some questions by Indonesian aviation enthusiast: Part1 & Part2.

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    Why of course, it's the evil Amercuns as usual, just like with Kursk and Ostankino tower:

    Russia probing US sabotage in Superjet crash: report

    MOSCOW - Russian intelligence thinks the Superjet liner that crashed during an exhibition in Indonesia may have been sabotaged by the United States, one of the country's most widely read dailies said on Thursday.

    In an article titled "Are the Americans implicated in the Superjet crash?" the Komsomolskaya Pravda tabloid cited unnamed officials as saying that Russia's aviation rivals were interested in seeing the plane fail.

    "We are investigating the theory that it was industrial sabotage," an unnamed military intelligence officer was quoted as saying by the daily.

    The Sukhoi Superjet 100 is the first entirely new passenger plane unveiled by Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union and represents the struggling industry's hopes of recapturing its former might.

    The short-haul jet ploughed into a mountain south of the capital Jakarta on May 9 during a promotional tour of Asia with the loss of all 45 passengers and crew on board.

    Russian officials and media have developed a history of blaming the country's most high-profile disasters and accidents on foreigners.

    A top Russian navy commander once blamed the US Navy for the August 2000 Kursk nuclear submarine sinking that killed 118 seamen, since several US ships were in the vicinity of the Barents Sea exercises.

    And former Russian Space Agency chief Yury Kotev has suggested that the Mars probe that got stuck in the Earth's orbit in November may have failed because of exposure to US radars in the area.

    The military intelligence official told Komsomolskaya Pravda that his agency, the GRU, "has long been tracking the work of the US Air Force at Jakarta airport.

    "We know that they have special technology (that we also have) that can jam signals from the ground or cause parameter readings to malfunction," said the official.

    "Perhaps this was the real 'trouble' on this occasion as well," the official said.

    Indonesian investigators have thus far been unable to find the "black box" storing data on vital aircraft functions that could help them better determine what caused the crash.
    http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2...24-348201.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightfire View Post
    Why of course, it's the evil Amercuns as usual, just like with Kursk and Ostankino tower:
    http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2...24-348201.html
    Have some decency sir. Quoting from 'Komsomolskaya Pravda", a horrible tabloid.

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