In West Bank, barrier threatens Roman terraces

[KoTeMoRe]

But were they admitted as an associated member or as full member?

... Duh, what do you think? People were going to commit any legal hara-kiri by unlawfully submitting a Member-State bid? Furthermore, there is no difference made to acession status. As each member subscribes to various protocols, the difference is within those agreements people sign, agree upon or/and ratifiy.

Eitan88:

http://www.unesco.org/new/en/media-s..._member_state/

Admission to UNESCO for states that are not members of the United Nations requires a recommendation by the Organization’s Executive Board and a two thirds majority vote in favour by the General Conference of Member States present and voting (abstentions are not considered as votes).The General Conference consists of the representatives of the States Members of the Organization. It meets every two years, and is attended by Member States and Associate Members, together with observers for non-Member States, intergovernmental organizations and non-governmental organizations (NGOs). Each Member State has one vote, irrespective of its size or the extent of its contribution to the budget.The General Conference determines the policies and the main lines of work of the Organization. Its duty is to set the programmes and the budget of UNESCO. It also elects the Members of the Executive Board and appoints, every four years, the Director-General.

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The whole issue was discussed longly in a dedicated thread and is truly laughable.
The basic legal facts are the following:

- The representative of the Palestinians to the UN is the PLO. The status of the PLO is of an observer.
- The PA is an entity that exists by a bilateral agreement between Israel and the PLO. It doesn't have any attribution of a state and is not in charge with international relations. This role belongs to the PLO.
- The Palestinians were admitted to Unesco with full membership and with a state status named "Palestine". An entity that does not have any existence.

http://www.unesco.org/new/en/media-s..._member_state/

[EITAN88]

Fact remains that the PA is not a non-UN member state... it's not a state at all.

You pointed out to a portion of the charter that reffers to "territories or groups of territories which are not responsible for the conduct of their international relations" and thus could "be admitted as Associated Members". So which is it?

In order for the Palestinians to actually have a state that can be recognised as such and doesn't exist only in a fantasy world they need two basic things: a single leadership (PLO and Hamas need to figure that one out) and soveriegn borders.

UNESCO can decide what it likes and provide good comedy for those of us who live in the real world.

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Fact remains that the PA is not a non-UN member state... it's not a state at all.

You pointed out to a portion of the charter that reffers to "territories or groups of territories which are not responsible for the conduct of their international relations" and thus could "be admitted as Associated Members". So which is it?

In order for the Palestinians to actually have a state that can be recognised as such and doesn't exist only in a fantasy world they need two basic things: a single leadership (PLO and Hamas need to figure that one out) and soveriegn borders.

UNESCO can decide what it likes and provide good comedy for those of us who live in the real world.

The problem with many UN agencies, like it is the case in Unesco, is that they have the majority to pass whatever vote they want. Even that the Earth is flat…

[EITAN88]

The problem with many UN agencies, like it is the case in Unesco, is that they have the majority to pass whatever vote they want. Even that the Earth is flat…

Full credit to Abba Eban

"If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions."

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Full credit to Abba Eban

"If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions."

I remembered I heard the expression somewhere, and it came back to my mind.

[KoTeMoRe]

... Let us check.

Legislative Branch? Check
Executive Branch? Check
Judiciary Branch? Check as well.

The PA is there fully fit for UNESCO membership. Hence their admission.

[EITAN88]

... Let us check.

Legislative Branch? Check
Executive Branch? Check
Judiciary Branch? Check as well.

The PA is there fully fit for UNESCO membership. Hence their admission.

No my friend... that's an autonomy.

There is one very key issue that seperates an autonomy from an actual state and that's soveriegnty. This can only be obtained through a lasting agreement with the State of Israel and not through political manipulation as was done in the case of UNESCO.

You have failed to find anything concrete in the UNESCO charter that actually justifies turning the PA into full member state (as such a state exists only on paper).

Please stop backpeddling and admit that you were mistaken.

[Hollis]

... Let us check.

Legislative Branch? Check
Executive Branch? Check
Judiciary Branch? Check as well.

The PA is there fully fit for UNESCO membership. Hence their admission.

Then there is the other branches,

The Fatah Branch,
The Al Aqsa Branch
The Hamas Branch
The Background information of Senior Prisoners in Jericho Branch
The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
The Palestine Islamic Jihad Branch
The PLF Branch
The PLO Branch
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
The PFLP-GC (general command) Branch
The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) Branch

All can act with immunity and................ do what they want to the Palestinian people, like murder them. I would say, the "government" that you pointed out, is meaningless, especially in protecting the rights of Palestinian people and maintaining the rule of law in Palestine.

[KoTeMoRe]

Then there is the other branches,

The Fatah Branch,
The Al Aqsa Branch
The Hamas Branch
The Background information of Senior Prisoners in Jericho Branch
The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
The Palestine Islamic Jihad Branch
The PLF Branch
The PLO Branch
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
The PFLP-GC (general command) Branch
The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) Branch

All can act with immunity are................ do what they want to the Palestinian people, like murder them. I would sat, the "government" that you pointed out, is meaningless, especially in protecting the rights of Palestinian people and maintaining the rule of law in Palestine.

Jesus, what is the argument at hand here. Is it the effectiveness of the government? Or is it the fact that the PA qualifies for UNESCO membership? On a side note, protecting the rights of the Palestinian people? Really? This article points out to the very issue of whose rights matter the most. Now again I am asking here, what was the argument at hand?

EITAN88: Autonomy from whom? Are Palestinians citizen of some current state that would grant them Autonomy? Mistaken Jesus Christ they are members already and with the blessing of the GA. Like it or not.

Now what was your point? Was it not that the UNESCO is a political tool? Well it is for every one.

[EITAN88]

Autonomy from whom? Are Palestinians citizen of some current state that would grant them Autonomy?

They are not citizens of Israel but they were granted an autonomy from Israel following the Oslo Accords. Unless you live in La La Land then you must acknowledge the fact that Israel is the de facto sovereign power in the West Bank (in the Gaza Strip it's more Hamas but it ain't the PA in both cases).

Mistaken Jesus Christ they are members already and with the blessing of the GA. Like it or not.

And are the Palestinians any better off because of this? Unless their goal is a state that exists only on paper then I sincerely doubt it.

Now what was your point? Was it not that the UNESCO is a political tool? Well it is for every one.

I`m really glad as we have made progress. Perhaps now you can take UNESCO off the pedestal on which you placed it.

[Hollis]

Jesus, what is the argument at hand here. Is it the effectiveness of the government? Or is it the fact that the PA qualifies for UNESCO membership? On a side note, protecting the rights of the Palestinian people? Really? This article points out to the very issue of whose rights matter the most. Now again I am asking here, what was the argument at hand?

EITAN88: Autonomy from whom? Are Palestinians citizen of some current state that would grant them Autonomy? Mistaken Jesus Christ they are members already and with the blessing of the GA. Like it or not.

Now what was your point? Was it not that the UNESCO is a political tool? Well it is for every one.

Whose rights, It is for sure not the Palestinian people. The UN is very political in this issue. The politics does not support the Palestinian people but those who operate with immunity within that area.

BTW, you are the one who brought up the Branches of government, I merely finished the list for you.

[KoTeMoRe]

Whose rights, It is for sure not the Palestinian people. The UN is very political in this issue. The politics does not support the Palestinian people but those who operate with immunity within that area.

BTW, you are the one who brought up the Branches of government, I merely finished the list for you.

Indeed I brought it up for a reason. The reason was that they were a state and as such qualified for a special majority Acceptance in UNESCO. I guess since folks have been coercing me to stop the off topic, I shall expect at least the courtesy from my vis a vis posters?

The issue here is clear. There are Roman Era artefacts at risk, Unesco steps is. Nothing political in this. And even then, this remains within Israeli grasp. If they want they will preserve the site, if they do not they will alter it. For worse. Now whose rights again are menaced here?

Eitan88: the Oslo agreement does change nothing in species. The PA is still responsible for Area A and as such can overtly present itself for UNESCO membership. Now pedestal? You are the ones whining about it. Nevertheless, Israel as signatory is still forced to take to account those Roman artefacts. And basically there is nothing political in this. The Palestinians might have a small portion of the wall rerouted when it directly affects the vestiges, but I do not expect UNESCO to be able to block any thing further.

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... Let us check.

Legislative Branch? Check
Executive Branch? Check
Judiciary Branch? Check as well.

The PA is there fully fit for UNESCO membership. Hence their admission.

To be a defacto state - even if it is not recognized by the UN - they have first to proclaim sovereignty which they did not. Why? Because it would violate the existing agreements, will cut all international funding they get, and will give Israel the occasion to take an equivalent unilateral measures like annexing Area C.
So how PA could be a "state" for Unesco, without proclaiming sovereignty without having any status for the UN - the only UN Palestnian representative being the PLO whose status is of an observer?

[KoTeMoRe]

To be a defacto state - even if it is not recognized by the UN - they have first to proclaim sovereignty which they did not. Why? Because it would violate the existing agreements, will cut all international funding they get, and give Israel the occasion to take an equivalent unilateral measures like annexing Area C.
So how PA could be a "state" for Unesco, without proclaiming a state and without having any status for the UN - the only UN Palestnian representative being the PLO whose status is of an observer?

Dude, we are dealing with UNESCO. Why are you trying to stretch it to the UN? Who spoke about the UN. Oh yes, you and Eitan. But again, Israel being an UNESCO member it has specific duties regarding the protection of historical artefacts.