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    ISIS links Iranian FM to past nuclear program


    US nuclear expert says Ali Akbar Salehi was instrumental in initiation of Tehran's disputed atom work back in the 1990s


    Yitzhak Benhorin, Reuter$

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    David Albright, founder of the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), said among 1,600 telexes and other material he has obtained and is studying was a letter signed by Salehi as head of Sharif University in 1991.

    The letter served as an end-user guarantee to a European supplier of materials that could have a dual purpose for use in a nuclear program. Tehran-based Sharif University, however, was acting essentially as a front for Iran's military procurement network, Albright said.
    "Salehi knew about or was involved in efforts to create an alleged parallel military nuclear program that is of great interest to the IAEA now," said, referring to the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations' nuclear watchdog.
    "And the intention of that program was probably to make nuclear weapons, including producing highly enriched uranium," Albright said.

    While senior IAEA officials have said in the past that they suspected Salehi and Sharif University played a role in such procurement activities, the telexes appear to be the first public evidence supporting those suspicions.

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    ISIS also linked Salehi to the Physics Research Center by saying that when he was head of the univerisity two packages could not be delivered to Shahmoradi at the university and the deliverer was told to redeliver them to the puchasing manager at the university or Salehi.
    Telexes implied that Salehi knew of the procurement of whole body counters, used to measure radiation, and had a connection to Shahmoradi, ISIS said.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nimaa View Post
    surenas, your name is familiar
    you have found yet another forum to troll. Let it go man.

    "numerous of fans in Iran"

    your family left Iran more than 3 decades ago. You're no longer Iranian. You're also the same person that claims Iranians are becoming Zoroastrian at a rate that will see the country become a Zoroastrian nation soon (your claims on defence.pk). Now you're claiming that the MEK has "fans in Iran."

    c'mon man, do you get off on this?
    Of course the MEK has numerous fans in Iran. You have to be some kind of naive to not acknowledge this. They got millions of supporters back before the revolution and about 30.000 of his members were executed back in 1988. You think al those people are gone? I'm not. They proof time to time that they got a good intelligent within the Iranian regime and that makes the regime so irritated that they blame everything that occurs in Iran on the MEK and try to do everything to destroy the organization. They still fear the MEK.

    I never say Iran will become a Zoroastrian nation, because I think it wouldn't, but I just say more and more people are becoming Zoroastrian (or christian) and are tired of the Islam. This are not only my words, but also the words of some mullahs. You and all those Iranians on PakDef are the most pathetic bunch of idiots I have ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    You were told you were on my ignore list.
    I can't read you anymore, so don't reply ever again to any of my posts in any thread. Thanks.
    You just quoted me dumbo...

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    As a thought experiment, why would anyone in a dictatorial country acknowledge belonging to a group the government finds persona non grata? While I can believe MEK doesn't have way too many fans left now, it has enough that it consistently gets information out from high places. The truth of the matter is Iranians are a saavy bunch. They're not going to go bellowing out that they are part of a banned political organization, or militant organization, or even religious movement. The fact that the harsh purges the Mullahs did after the Revolution didn't get all the Shahists, democrats, etc is a big clue.

    Likewise, in a Shia hardcore theocracy, not many people are going to talk loosely about how they converted out of their religion whose punishment for apostasy is death. If there is a Zorastrian revival (which I have reason to believe too), its not open for a reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Ah the catfish is out of the pond.

    Now easy there lad. You provided me a specific *report* that, according to you shed a light on who was who in the IRGC and its links to the Nuclear Program. You provided it to PROVE the IRGC was monitoring and leading the program. I rebuked that as it would mean that the program was military in essence. Asked you to have a look at the various IAEA materials regarding the Iranian case. At no instance, the IRGC is mentionned as mentoring, supervising or even designing the program. Now you could at least, read your own material thoroughly, it would help your case or allow you to at least do some damage control.

    I am simply stating your report is not only unconclusive but also marred with information (or lack of) from a Terrorist Organization.

    Now you bounce back on IAEA. Again I am simply aking you for hard evidence. You are saying, there is little to no evidence because Iran hides it. I am saying there is little to no evidence because the IAEA is not finding any to begin with. Given the level of monitoring Iran has to deal, I find the argument of the IRGC hiding their nuclear related activities from the RoW, laughable.
    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    The coupling is debatable and was done by the UNSC. The BM issue is just another straw argument to press Iran further. You brought up those specific annexes that spoke about the IRGC BM program and made the claim they aimed at the Nuclear Program.
    However the Resolution does not reflect your view of a IRGC control over the Iranian Nuclear Program. It still poses the BM issue as a distinct entry.

    You omitted the titles of the sub-entries. The titles clearly spoke about the Ballistic Missile program while you tried to make it look like they aimed at the Nuclear Program.

    I call that fallacy. In other words another of your claims.
    I am a bit confused here.
    So you claim 1) that IAEA didn't find military activities in Iran while having possibilities to look for and it's not their major concern,
    2)UNSC was mentioning IRGC only in connection with ballistic missiles programs.
    Did I understand you correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    You were told you were on my ignore list.
    I can't read you anymore, so don't reply ever again to any of my posts in any thread. Thanks.

    Childish attitude your shown ...


    End of the day there is an agenda by those who want nothing more than a square go with Iran and will use any method to create tensions even if there is those that live in Both nations that don't want any such confrotation ,, that has been proved

    Nations can't have a rule for one and a rule for another . because they ain't seen as Political mates on whatever level consider the fact western nations do deals with nation who's culture that is stone age yet our leaders turn a blind eye because of the Money that's at stake ..
    And look at all the fuss over the NK rocket test .. and India does the same not a fkin pip squeak ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by timetraveller View Post
    Childish attitude your shown ...


    End of the day there is an agenda by those who want nothing more than a square go with Iran and will use any method to create tensions even if there is those that live in Both nations that don't want any such confrotation ,, that has been proved

    Nations can't have a rule for one and a rule for another . because they ain't seen as Political mates on whatever level consider the fact western nations do deals with nation who's culture that is stone age yet our leaders turn a blind eye because of the Money that's at stake ..
    And look at all the fuss over the NK rocket test .. and India does the same not a fkin pip squeak ,
    Keep you advices for yourself.
    I Had an overdose of the bigotry of this guy on 2 simultaneous threads the same day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surenas View Post
    Of course the MEK has numerous fans in Iran. You have to be some kind of naive to not acknowledge this. They got millions of supporters back before the revolution and about 30.000 of his members were executed back in 1988. You think al those people are gone? I'm not. They proof time to time that they got a good intelligent within the Iranian regime and that makes the regime so irritated that they blame everything that occurs in Iran on the MEK and try to do everything to destroy the organization. They still fear the MEK.

    I never say Iran will become a Zoroastrian nation, because I think it wouldn't, but I just say more and more people are becoming Zoroastrian (or christian) and are tired of the Islam. This are not only my words, but also the words of some mullahs. You and all those Iranians on PakDef are the most pathetic bunch of idiots I have ever seen.
    The things that you exiles cook up is just fascinating.
    You go from forum to forum, none of which are Iranian, and claim fantastical things, all of which are figments of your imagination based on stories you've heard from your exiled family and youtube videos. The IRanians you're calling "pathetic idiots" are actually living in Iran and are more Irooni than you can ever dream to be. We're not some exiled loser who has to make up stories about his parent's homeland.

    btw, I'm not muslim and one day I hope to be able to clear the word muslim out of my Iranian papers. I'm not saying this because I'm ashamed of my roots and heritage. I'm saying this to show you that a person can be proud of his roots and also be whoever he wants to be. You don't have to go on a crusade against all Iranians because your family is exiled to the West and doesn't like it. You're just gonna stay a bitter man with no aim. The things you're saying are just laughable. When was the last time you even stepped foot in Iran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DS73 View Post
    I am a bit confused here.
    So you claim 1) that IAEA didn't find military activities in Iran while having possibilities to look for and it's not their major concern,
    2)UNSC was mentioning IRGC only in connection with ballistic missiles programs.
    Did I understand you correct?
    No you did not. Read the thread or translate it in the language of your choice and understand.

    As of today the IAEA has not found any sign of a civilian Nuclear Program under the auspices of the IRGC (his claim). They want a full disclosure of the Civilian Program.
    The IAEA coupled the BM issue as a clear sign of a nuclear research. In their mind, BM program= Nuclear WMD program. I find the Link questionnable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surenas View Post
    You and all those Iranians on PakDef are the most pathetic bunch of idiots I have ever seen.

    Let keep what ever problems that you have on another forum, on that forum and not bring it on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    No you did not. Read the thread or translate it in the language of your choice and understand.

    As of today the IAEA has not found any sign of a civilian Nuclear Program under the auspices of the IRGC (his claim). They want a full disclosure of the Civilian Program.
    IAEA wants to make sure that there is no active military nuclear program in Iran. And IAEA deals with Iranian Nuclear program. No need to inject word "civilian" here. Iranians should not have anything not civilian in the first place.
    As usually you demonstrate lack of any understanding about documentation, what agencies do, and being google handicapped resort to irrelevant strawman "arguments" and stupid claims. Which are not true.

    The IAEA coupled the BM issue as a clear sign of a nuclear research. In their mind, BM program= Nuclear WMD program. I find the Link questionnable.
    No they haven't. All this crap is just yours assertions. Wrong as usually.

    The current core document describing IAEA relations with Iran is GOV/2011/65 (there are newer of course, but they refer for details to this one). This details are accumulated in an annex dully named
    Possible Military Dimensions to Iran’s Nuclear Programme.
    Since you're google handicapped I'll suppress my promise to good friend of not giving direct links (and in such way not helping students to do quick and sloppy essays.)
    http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2011/gov2011-65.pdf
    The core activities were from the start controlled by Mohsen Fakhrizadeh. Senior officer of IRGC. In this report IAEA starts with AMAD plan because PHRC (also controlled by him) didn't have clear nuclear activities.
    I will quote some relevant pieces (far from exhaustive list, I recomend anybody interested in this problem to read document's annex)
    The organizational arrangement of iranian nuclear program:
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    "... 22. According to the Agency’s assessment of the information contained in that documentation, the green salt project (identified as Project 5.13) was part of a larger project (identified as Project 5) to provide a source of uranium suitable for use in an undisclosed enrichment programme. The product of this programme would be converted into metal for use in the new warhead which was the subject of the missile re-entry vehicle studies (identified as Project 111). As of May 2008, the Agency was not in a position to demonstrate to Iran the connection between Project 5 and Project 111. However, subsequently, the Agency was shown documents which established a connection between Project 5 and Project 111, and hence a link between nuclear material and a new payload development programme...."
    "..24. The Agency has other information from Member States which indicates that some activities previously carried out under the AMAD Plan were resumed later, and that Mr Fakhrizadeh retained the principal organizational role, first under a new organization known as the Section for Advanced Development Applications and Technologies (SADAT) 28, which continued to report to MODAFL, and later, in mid-2008, as the head of the Malek Ashtar University of Technology (MUT) in Tehran.29 The Agency has been advised by a Member State that, in February 2011, Mr Fakhrizadeh moved his seat of operations from MUT to an adjacent location known as the Modjeh Site, and that he now leads the Organization of Defensive Innovation and Research.30 The Agency is concerned because some of the activities undertaken after 2003 would be highly relevant to a nuclear weapon programme..."

    26. In addition, throughout the entire timeline, instances of procurement and attempted procurement by individuals associated with the AMAD Plan of equipment, materials and services which, although having other civilian applications, would be useful in the development of a nuclear explosive device, have either been uncovered by the Agency itself or been made known to it.32 Among such equipment, materials and services are: high speed electronic switches and spark gaps (useful for triggering and firing detonators); high speed cameras (useful in experimental diagnostics); neutron sources (useful for calibrating neutron measuring equipment); radiation detection and measuring equipment (useful in a nuclear material production environment); and training courses on topics relevant to nuclear explosives development (such as neutron cross section calculations and shock wave interactions/hydrodynamics).
    "...29. Information made available to the Agency by a Member State, which the Agency has been able to examine directly, indicates that Iran made progress with experimentation aimed at the recovery of uranium from fluoride compounds (using lead oxide as a surrogate material to avoid the possibility of uncontrolled contamination occurring in the workplace).
    30. In addition, although now declared and currently under safeguards, a number of facilities dedicated to uranium enrichment (the Fuel Enrichment Plant and Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant at Natanz and the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant near Qom) were covertly built by Iran and only declared once the Agency was made aware of their existence by sources other than Iran. This, taken together with the past efforts by Iran to conceal activities involving nuclear material, create more concern about the possible existence of undeclared nuclear facilities and material in Iran...."
    "...44. The Agency has strong indications that the development by Iran of the high explosives initiation system, and its development of the high speed diagnostic configuration used to monitor related experiments, were assisted by the work of a foreign expert who was not only knowledgeable in these technologies, but who, a Member State has informed the Agency, worked for much of his career with this technology in the nuclear weapon programme of the country of his origin. The Agency has reviewed publications by this foreign expert and has met with him. The Agency has been able to verify through three separate routes, including the expert himself, that this person was in Iran from about 1996 to about 2002, ostensibly to assist Iran in the development of a facility and techniques for making ultra-dispersed diamonds (“UDDs” or “nanodiamonds”), where he also lectured on explosion physics and its applications..."
    this member state is Russia btw.
    etc. etc. etc.

    Now the second part: UNSC. Corresponding resolution is obviously Resolution 1929 (2010).
    http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iaeairan/unsc_res1929-2010.pdf
    "... Noting with serious concern the role of elements of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC, also known as “Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution”), including those specified in Annex D and E of resolution 1737 (2006), Annex I of resolution 1747 (2007) and Annex II of this resolution, in Iran’s proliferation sensitive nuclear activities and the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems,..."
    This is direct comment on your ASSumption
    and a cookie:
    "..Noting with serious concern that Iran has constructed an enrichment facility at Qom in breach of its obligations to suspend all enrichment-related activities, and that Iran failed to notify it to the IAEA until September 2009, which is inconsistent with its obligations under the Subsidiary Arrangements to its Safeguards Agreement..."
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    @DS73:

    Thanks for the great materlal you posted.

    I just read yesterday a new report by Cordesman which is exclusively based on material published by the IAEA. (Cordesman made an extensive work of compilation of the material existing in the hundreds of pages of IAEA reports and annexes. A material that probably most of the people writing about Iran's nuclear program battered to read.)
    It appears that IAEA is much better informed of the military dimensions of Iran's program than one may think. Based on this official material, Cordersman concludes that Iran's nuclear military project is irrefutable. The dimensions of the program exposed by Codersman are extensive. Codersman also recommends a new approach to deal with this program.

    This report is by far the most comprehensive I read on this subject to this day. I warmly recommend it to anyone interested by this issue:




    Rethinking Our Approach to Iran's Search for the Bomb


    By Anthony H. Cordesman

    MAY 7, 2012

    http://csis.org/publication/rethinki...ns-search-bomb











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    Quote Originally Posted by DS73 View Post
    IAEA wants to make sure that there is no active military nuclear program in Iran. And IAEA deals with Iranian Nuclear program. No need to inject word "civilian" here. Iranians should not have anything not civilian in the first place.
    As usually you demonstrate lack of any understanding about documentation, what agencies do, and being google handicapped resort to irrelevant strawman "arguments" and stupid claims. Which are not true.


    No they haven't. All this crap is just yours assertions. Wrong as usually.

    The current core document describing IAEA relations with Iran is GOV/2011/65 (there are newer of course, but they refer for details to this one). This details are accumulated in an annex dully named
    Possible Military Dimensions to Iran’s Nuclear Programme.
    Since you're google handicapped I'll suppress my promise to good friend of not giving direct links (and in such way not helping students to do quick and sloppy essays.)
    http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2011/gov2011-65.pdf
    The core activities were from the start controlled by Mohsen Fakhrizadeh. Senior officer of IRGC. In this report IAEA starts with AMAD plan because PHRC (also controlled by him) didn't have clear nuclear activities.
    I will quote some relevant pieces (far from exhaustive list, I recomend anybody interested in this problem to read document's annex)
    The organizational arrangement of iranian nuclear program:
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    "... 22. According to the Agency’s assessment of the information contained in that documentation, the green salt project (identified as Project 5.13) was part of a larger project (identified as Project 5) to provide a source of uranium suitable for use in an undisclosed enrichment programme. The product of this programme would be converted into metal for use in the new warhead which was the subject of the missile re-entry vehicle studies (identified as Project 111). As of May 2008, the Agency was not in a position to demonstrate to Iran the connection between Project 5 and Project 111. However, subsequently, the Agency was shown documents which established a connection between Project 5 and Project 111, and hence a link between nuclear material and a new payload development programme...."
    "..24. The Agency has other information from Member States which indicates that some activities previously carried out under the AMAD Plan were resumed later, and that Mr Fakhrizadeh retained the principal organizational role, first under a new organization known as the Section for Advanced Development Applications and Technologies (SADAT) 28, which continued to report to MODAFL, and later, in mid-2008, as the head of the Malek Ashtar University of Technology (MUT) in Tehran.29 The Agency has been advised by a Member State that, in February 2011, Mr Fakhrizadeh moved his seat of operations from MUT to an adjacent location known as the Modjeh Site, and that he now leads the Organization of Defensive Innovation and Research.30 The Agency is concerned because some of the activities undertaken after 2003 would be highly relevant to a nuclear weapon programme..."

    26. In addition, throughout the entire timeline, instances of procurement and attempted procurement by individuals associated with the AMAD Plan of equipment, materials and services which, although having other civilian applications, would be useful in the development of a nuclear explosive device, have either been uncovered by the Agency itself or been made known to it.32 Among such equipment, materials and services are: high speed electronic switches and spark gaps (useful for triggering and firing detonators); high speed cameras (useful in experimental diagnostics); neutron sources (useful for calibrating neutron measuring equipment); radiation detection and measuring equipment (useful in a nuclear material production environment); and training courses on topics relevant to nuclear explosives development (such as neutron cross section calculations and shock wave interactions/hydrodynamics).
    "...29. Information made available to the Agency by a Member State, which the Agency has been able to examine directly, indicates that Iran made progress with experimentation aimed at the recovery of uranium from fluoride compounds (using lead oxide as a surrogate material to avoid the possibility of uncontrolled contamination occurring in the workplace).
    30. In addition, although now declared and currently under safeguards, a number of facilities dedicated to uranium enrichment (the Fuel Enrichment Plant and Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant at Natanz and the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant near Qom) were covertly built by Iran and only declared once the Agency was made aware of their existence by sources other than Iran. This, taken together with the past efforts by Iran to conceal activities involving nuclear material, create more concern about the possible existence of undeclared nuclear facilities and material in Iran...."
    "...44. The Agency has strong indications that the development by Iran of the high explosives initiation system, and its development of the high speed diagnostic configuration used to monitor related experiments, were assisted by the work of a foreign expert who was not only knowledgeable in these technologies, but who, a Member State has informed the Agency, worked for much of his career with this technology in the nuclear weapon programme of the country of his origin. The Agency has reviewed publications by this foreign expert and has met with him. The Agency has been able to verify through three separate routes, including the expert himself, that this person was in Iran from about 1996 to about 2002, ostensibly to assist Iran in the development of a facility and techniques for making ultra-dispersed diamonds (“UDDs” or “nanodiamonds”), where he also lectured on explosion physics and its applications..."
    this member state is Russia btw.
    etc. etc. etc.

    Now the second part: UNSC. Corresponding resolution is obviously Resolution 1929 (2010).
    http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iaeairan/unsc_res1929-2010.pdf
    "... Noting with serious concern the role of elements of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC, also known as “Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution”), including those specified in Annex D and E of resolution 1737 (2006), Annex I of resolution 1747 (2007) and Annex II of this resolution, in Iran’s proliferation sensitive nuclear activities and the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems,..."
    This is direct comment on your ASSumption
    and a cookie:
    "..Noting with serious concern that Iran has constructed an enrichment facility at Qom in breach of its obligations to suspend all enrichment-related activities, and that Iran failed to notify it to the IAEA until September 2009, which is inconsistent with its obligations under the Subsidiary Arrangements to its Safeguards Agreement..."

    Cue words Allegeed, Potential, Possible and double usage. If Iran was able to undertake that much, why the delay on the testing and ultimately the weaponization of its BM.

    Many informations are directly given by Nuclear States that corroborate a version they want to push.

    Thank you for nothing.

    On a side note:

    n 2008, Iran told the Agency that it had developed EBWs for civil and conventional military applications and had achieved a simultaneity of about one microsecond when firing two to three detonators together, and provided the Agency with a copy of a paper relating to EBW development work presented by two Iranian researchers at a conference held in Iran in 2005.A similar paper was published by the two researchers at an international conference later in 2005. Both papers indicate that suitable high voltage firing equipment had been acquired or developed by Iran. Also in 2008, Iran told the Agency that, before the period 2002–2004, it had already achieved EBW technology.
    Iran also provided the Agency with a short undated document in Farsi, understood to be the specifications for a detonator development program, and a document from a foreign source showing an example of a civilian application in which detonators are fired simultaneously. However, Iran has not explained to the Agency its own need or application for such detonators.
    These gems are exactly why the quest to prove that Iran is following a nuclear weaponization path is tricky.

    Edit: Danilenko denied that his work was military related. And the IAEA says as 45:

    45. Furthermore, the Agency has received information from two Member States that, after 2003, Iran engaged in experimental research involving a scaled down version of the hemispherical initiation system and high explosive charge referred to in paragraph 43 above,
    albeit in connection with non-nuclear applications
    . This work, together with other studies made known to the Agency in which the same initiation system is used in cylindrical geometry,
    could
    also be relevant to improving and optimizing the multipoint initiation design concept relevant to nuclear applications.
    You would not ommit that that would you. Oh and I alreay read those, by the way.


    And as for Nanodiamonds...

    http://www.ioffe.ru/nanodiamond/2008/abstr/nd08_p01.pdf
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    Iran's Revolutionary Guards 'overseeing huge expansion of country's nuclear programme'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...programme.html

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    I'm noticing that just before a next negotiations round a dissident group always appears to claim that Iran works on nukes.

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