Russia Testing Italian Tank

[Andy_UA]

I'm sure Russia Army will not buy this en masse other than for study, while industry might use some "parts" for "study" and buy some technologies, mainly of chassis.
For this few parts Italy wants to sell license, which is, quite expensive. There were also talks of them wanting german Boxer in this capacity, but germans have more strings attached and the laws there impede some complications too. So this is all means that the big buy is in Italy sales managers dreams ..

[tercio67]

Yeah, pretty sure Toshiba thought it was just "doing business" back in the day too.

Toshiba, and back in the day, are not part of this topic. Maybe you didn't notice but the cold war has been over for some time now.

[Hisroyalhighness]

I'm sure Russia Army will not buy this en masse other than for study, while industry might use some "parts" for "study" and buy some technologies, mainly of chassis.

My feelings as well:

Ontopic:

Russia has an established line of wheeled armored vehicles that traces back to the 8×8 BTR-60, the latest being the BTR-90 platform, which was designed as an armored personnel carrier in the mid 1990s. The BTR-70/80 is one of the most widely fielded wheeled APC, with over 5,000 fielded with over 30 military forces worldwide. The BTR-90 offers better power/weight ratio compared to the Centauro but is less adaptable for heavy turrets, a quality the Italian design has demonstrated for many years. The rapid integration of the 125mm cannon for the Russian test has underlined this capability and opens the market for additional export opportunities for the Italian vehicle. Assumably, if the Italian wheeled armored gun design will be selected by the Russians, it will be deployed with additional variants of the same platform (infantry carrier, command vehicle, mortar carrier, armored ambulance and recovery vehicles) to maximize commonality.
Many officials within the Russian military industry circles are objecting the Russian openness to western products, reflected in the acquisition of French vessels, Italian armored vehicles and Israeli unmanned aircraft. Yury Borisov, first deputy head of the military-industrial commission was quoted by Novosti as saying Russia will only buy foreign weapon models on a one-off basis to study the manufacturing technology and then set up its own production. However, it is unlikely the western manufacturers would agree to such attitude.

http://defense-update.com/20120512_r...led-tanks.html

[C.Puffs]

Toshiba, and back in the day, are not part of this topic. Maybe you didn't notice but the cold war has been over for some time now.

I guess that would explain why Russia is still churning out new nuclear weapons and threatening to attack us huh? Pull your head out.

[Hisroyalhighness]

I guess that would explain why Russia is still churning out new nuclear weapons and threatening to attack us huh? Pull your head out.

How is that relevant to this topic? Oh yeah your own words:

The topic is a NATO member handing over an ACV to a potential enemy for study is it not?

Correct not Russia's saber rattling.

Yep. Why give them a potential leg-up? Guarantee you if Russia gave us their latest and greatest S-400 setup to "examine" Hisroyalhighness would be $hitting bricks about it.

It's a 30 year old fvcking wheeled tank destoryer, not the PAC-3 you obtuse numbskull.

[Migs]

Looks like the military version of a mini-van.

[Hisroyalhighness]

Looks like the military version of a mini-van.

A mini van with a big ol' 105mm low recoil cannon

[tercio67]

I guess that would explain why Russia is still churning out new nuclear weapons and threatening to attack us huh? Pull your head out.

Oh, I see. Russia should just roll over and play dead.

Russia is just another, big, market these days. A few ACV's won't change the balance.

[Hisroyalhighness]

Oh, I see. Russia should just roll over and play dead.

Russia is just another, big, market these days. A few ACV's won't change the balance.

Thank you, Thank you, Mr Voice of Reason.

Seriously does no one know where the testing will take place in the Moscow region? Is there a dedicated test site for armored vehicles?

[Migs]

A mini van with a big ol' 105mm low recoil cannon

So you can take your kids to soccer practice in the Ukraine. :P

[C.Puffs]

Oh, I see. Russia should just roll over and play dead.

Russia is just another, big, market these days. A few ACV's won't change the balance.

Neither would a few Su-33s but Russia certainly told China to GTFO when China wanted to purchase a few for "examination". I guess it depends on which end of the "just want to examine" equation you're on.

[C.Puffs]

It's a 30 year old fvcking wheeled tank destoryer, not the PAC-3 you obtuse numbskull.

Resorting to name-calling? Is your arguement really that weak? (Of course we both know it is.)

[Hisroyalhighness]

Gents ignore the warhawk, he is boring and arrogant as fvck:



Are there any benefits of the 120mm low recoil cannon as apposed to the Nova SVK? or will Russia just study the chassis?

[XTX-Horus]

Are there any benefits of the 120mm low recoil cannon as apposed to the Nova SVK?

They are completely incomparable. The only thing that compares is that the caliber is 120mm. The Nona is a self propelled mortar and the Centauro w/120mm cannon is a direct fire support weapon, not an indirect one like Nona.

The follow up of the Nona is the 2S31 Vena. And as for the direct fire support cannon of high caliberage with low recoil: The 2A75 of the 2S25 Sprut-SD suffices more then enough due to it being capable of launching both HEAT and APFSDS rounds like the 3VBM23 (~800mm RHA penetration at 2000 meters).

or will Russia just study the chassis?

Yes. To see how turrets/cannons like the 2A75 can be intergrated as good as the Centauro does with the 105 and 120mm cannons. IMHO, this deal of buying a couple of Centauro's for study is a stroke of absolute genious as it can aid in the development of the Boomerang 8X8 platform.

[Hisroyalhighness]

They are completely incomparable. The only thing that compares is that the caliber is 120mm. The Nona is a self propelled mortar and the Centauro w/120mm cannon is a direct fire support weapon, not an indirect one like Nona.

The follow up of the Nona is the 2S31 Vena. And as for the direct fire support cannon of high caliberage with low recoil: The 2A75 of the 2S25 Sprut-SD suffices more then enough due to it being capable of launching both HEAT and APFSDS rounds like the 3VBM23 (~800mm RHA penetration at 2000 meters).



Yes. To see how turrets/cannons like the 2A75 can be intergrated as good as the Centauro does with the 105 and 120mm cannons. IMHO, this deal of buying a couple of Centauro's for study is a stroke of absolute genious as it can aid in the development of the Boomerang 8X8 platform.

Thank you for the response, but regarding the Vena, isn't it both a mortar and a cannon?