I remember 2006 very clearly, and there was NO FRAUD. Lopez Obrador made a bunch of ridiculous acusations which he never proved, and then demanded that the votes be recounted, when the law does not provide for a third recount recount (because the votes a counted twice in Mexico if you did not know, first at the polling station, where they are counted one by one by hand, and the official documents are drafted by the citizens manning the station and by the representatives of each political party, and where, if an irregularity occurs, the representatives make note of it in the official documents, and second, three days after the election in each of the 300 district offices across the country, where if there is a discretion in the official documents attached to the packages, or if the copies of the official documents (actas) held by the various political parties do not match or show some irregularity, the packages a re-opened and the votes re-counted in front of many, many representatives of all parties and the press. Very few needed opening and recounting, and the PRD could not justify the need to open the rest, however, the Federal Electoral Tribunal did recount a good number of packages at the request of the PRD and it turned out that Felipe Calderon a few more votes than Lopez did. I remember the ridiculous acusation first levied by Lopez, when he said that all of his nearly 80,000 representatives across the country had sold out to the PAN (a very ridiculous notion, and unbelievable). Then, Lopez, looking for some other excuse to steal what he could not win, claimed that many millions of votes had been "nullified" (anulados) by polling station personel across the country. Many very gullible people believed this, but he was trying to confuse the citizenry by saying that the "unused ballots" (boletas inutilizadas), the ones that are left over and have to be marked with a double diagonal line across them so no one can use them, with the "nullified ballots" (boletas anuladas), the ones where the voters decide to nullify themselves (a kind of voting harakiri, where voters cross out all the can didates or cross the whole ballot). In a few places across the country, probably less than one percent of polling stations, very lowly educated polling station personel, mistook the definition "boletas inutilizadas" (unused ballots) with "boletas anuladas" (anuled ballots), and wrote the numbers in the wrong box. An innocent mistake, very common, that happens in all elections, but which was very likely corrected at the district count (conteo distrital) or by the count conducted by the magistrates of the Federal Electoral Tribunal (Trife). By alleging fraud when he had no real proof of it Lopez did great harm to the country, hurting our image everywhere and dividing Mexicans everywhere. You can bet my friend that if his supporters had chosen an armed revolt, I would have backed the other side, and, no, 13% of Mexicans did not opt for armed revolt, you probably mean 13% of Lopez supporters, which is far less than 12 million people. That's just Lopez puffing up like and angry chicken. And yes, Lopez has been campaigning for more than six years and I'm not talking about Morena (I could care less about them), I mean he's been prancing around the country playing the "Legitimate President" of Mexico bit, visiting every town and city and talking to those naive enough to support him, and really not doing any real work, just living of the taxpayers' money.Originally Posted by FoedusTriplex
But, don't get all upset about Lopez, you should be worrying about Gel Boy (not Hellboy), because Lopez will not win and Gel Boy is the biggest threat to Mexico and all that has been achieved in economic stability in the last twelve years.
You said that you started this thread to " discuss the Candidates and their views for the country", and I have been discussing Lopez, and saying why I would not vote for him this time (or ever in this lifetime). I don't think that I have veered from the subject. If it bothers you maybe you should have stated that the thread was only for supporters of Lopez and to throw flowers at him.
That's because he came up with it when BY LAW the political campaigns had not started. There was no censure, it's just another one of Lopez' conspiracy theories of which he's so famous for and which some people actually believe. ¡Ej un compló!
Here's one from Josefina:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKbOr...&feature=share
sorry Ive been in school couldnt answer.
I think you miss understand me. Yes I do have a candidate of my choosing its PRD candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador. However you like me preach about how Mexico democracy needs to mature and end the corruption. Then again like I said this wasent about who won, this was about the process of democracy which was corrupted. And you believe that the process went just fine.You only need to check the video evidence, recordings, the numbers, and the testimonies. And this wasent just Lopez Obrador or its supporters it was people who wanted justice. Most was disclose to.
El PREP close at 8 p.m. and under the rubric of inconsistencies around 11 million proceedings of presidential election. Votes that were not counted because of inconsistencies were 2 million 581 thousand 226. IFE disclose all of that (fact). Now lets check the numbers:one hundred and nine thousand records which one can compare the numberof ballots that were deposited in the ballot box against the number of ballots before the election and the number of ballots left over after the election. of these109,134 records, it appears thatin 16% ie 17.465 of these records there were more ballots in the ballot box than ballots that were distributed by the polling booth officials to the voters. In 17 thousand ballot booths they found 800,000 extra ballots within the boxes. There wereanother 30%ie 32,758 had fewerballots in the ballot box.This difference between received and leftovers.And the total number of ballots that were missingthere was716.489.If you add these two numbers you have an error of a half million ballots that we do not know where they came from. EIther they arrived at the ballot box and they did not know where they came from or they where suppose toappear in the box and did not appear.
And when they did the re-count ( I belive it was a wednesday that they said that Obrador was wining). And around 80% of the conputed vote Obrador decline almost symmetrically as Calderon began to rise,(grafica espejo) which you could look up because" Universal" posted it. Remember the votes are independent of each other (Calderon and Obrador) a vote for PRD is independent from the vote of PAN. But in the graph there is a corolation of 99.98% which cannot be.
Also take note that most of the people finding these irrigularities are people who work sometimes at IFE- but when you do find the videos of the recount youll be surprise of the **** that happend that year. Consulta Mitofsky was the one who did the poll about (La resistencia Civil Postelectoral: Hasta donde?) the question was "Llame a un levantamiento armado contra el gobierno? " (13.2) =13% and around 12 million citizens ( and it wasent" That's just Lopez puffing up like and angry chicken.") This was a national survey.
" Then, Lopez, looking for some other excuse to steal what he could not win, claimed that many millions of votes had been "nullified" (anulados) by polling station personel across the country" -(fact) Puebla distrito electoral 4 Zacapoxtla the paquet is re-open and out of the so called "votos nulos " which was stated that there were 92 of them, only around 10 were actually "votos nulos" and more than 60 were for PRD. There is even video evidence that In Mexico city Distrito electoral 12 about a vote that should or should not be anulado, the sheet marks a huge X on the PRD party but was counted for the PAN. when it came for vote there was a draw, "el voto de calidad" came from " el consejero presidente -IFE in favor to "anular".
"I mean he's been prancing around the country playing the "Legitimate President" of Mexico bit, visiting every town and city and talking to those naive enough to support him, and really not doing any real work, just living of the taxpayers' money." Politicians get paid like they are high executives, they work less hours and only a couple of days ,out of the tax payers money ? really nah they have most have special contracts favor certain companies (example walmart corrution lates news that I could think of ) another thing these special contracts with companies also include no income tax for companies.
Though at first I bought all that bull**** that Obrador was like Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales and that he was going to be Fidel Castro, "y que se come ninos crudos en la manana". etc.
That I concur Pena Nieto is a a grave concer to the country .
Gel boy well he is back by the media high executives etc. but remember Mexico has alot of young people, people like the University Students of IBERO.
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Words have different meanings and even in person trying to talk to some one can be very dificult, you could mean "something " while the other person can take it another way. And the problem worsens when you can even see the person your talking to.
But what I meant by that: Is that I was explaining my self on why I participate in this thread dirictly and sharing my views. But again Im not discusing Lopez Obrador Im discusing the corruption but he belongs to the effect of that. And is that what you think im doing throwing flowers at him? wow
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