Reply With Quoteweird... i thought most Iranian Azeri's was loyal to Iran and didn't believe in this 'southern-Azerbaijan" stuff.
Iranian Azeris set up national council in Turkey, aspire for independence
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-2803...ependence.html14 May 2012 / AYDIN ALBAYRAK, ANKARA
Representatives of Azerbaijani Turks living in Iran have announced the establishment of an “International South Azerbaijani Turks' National Council,” which ultimately aims to become independent from Iran.
“Our ultimate aim is the independence of Turks living in ‘Southern Azerbaijan.' But we seek independence by democratic, peaceful means, not through the use of weapons,” Cemal Mehmethanoğlu, the spokesperson of the council, declared at a press conference held at the Azerbaijani Cultural Association in Ankara on Monday.
weird... i thought most Iranian Azeri's was loyal to Iran and didn't believe in this 'southern-Azerbaijan" stuff.
you are right , most iranian azeris are hardcore nationalists.Originally Posted by memoli
im partly azeri myself lol, nobody asks in iran " what is your ethnic group ?" we are all iranian, if you belong to the Aryans ( Iranian tribes ) you will forever be part of Iran,even though azeri language is Turkic (ancient azeri language was similar to Persian= Indo european), azeris are considered a ancient aryan tribe of Iran (same as Persians and the other ancient iranic tribes)
Maybe one day we'll hear what "Ohrmazda, may no Evil come from Him" sounds like in Turkic?
Im pretty boggled by this too IRN, after all the reappearance of Iran started from the Azeri Ak Kolonyans. If anyone's hardcore for Iran, its those guys. Maybe Im looking too much into it, but it looks like Turkey's been spreading and sowing dissent and propoganda for a little while now too. Kinda similar thing they were attempting in Iraqi Turkomen territory. After all, the article says this first conference foinding was in Ankara. Though perhaps, it also has to do with Iran's current political structure?
You mean Ak Koyunlu?
It was actually an another Azeri dynasty, Safavids, which laid the foundation of modern day Iran, by defeating the Ak Koyunlu.
Now, that is indeed true, but I m not sure if what they had in mind was something like this. After Pahlavis took over Iran, the process of assimilation began, and Azeri Turks were deprived of their basic rights, which did not change with the Islamic revolution, altough it was promised by the same Mollahs...
Shah Ismail was himself a poet in his native Azerbaijani language, and that same language have been forbidden in last century in the same very nation he and his men created.
Not saying there isn't some goofiness both ways Attilla
Also, yes indeed, Safavids broke out of the Ak, though I coulda sworn I said something like that. Rereading it I guess I can see why you thought that. But the point still remains :P
As for names, I kinda use names that sound nicer or roll off the tongue. I first heard it ****ounced Ak Kolonya, so it stuck. Similarly, I call Trabzon Trebizond, and prefer Konya to Ikinion
But I got to say that Safavids were not obsessed about creating a nation of Iran, their only goal was fighting for Shia beliefs. Iran was only a geographical name used, really. And they felt absolutely nothing towards Persians, you can read how much Qizilbash hated Persians.
But later of course the state evolved into Iran as we know, but this was not the original intention, specially when the capital was still in Azerbaijan before being moved to Persian Isfahan. But we could have seen a totally different Iran, I.E not a Persian one like today, if Safavids had won the Chaldiran battle against Ottomans (Tabriz losing it's capital status, civil war between Qizilbash tribes and Safavid leaders).
About the situation of ethnic Azeri Turks in Iran, yes there are alot of people who has no "issues" with the fact that their idenity are under shoes of Persians, but these people are only sheeps. Why should we take them as an example. And of course very religious ones are also an exception.
Last edited by AttilaA; 05-16-2012 at 09:43 PM. Reason: grammer
IRN34 the original link of this thread also claims half of Iran's population is of Turkic origin. lol
From the article
Also thisBut Dr. Yasemen Karakoyunlu, both a member of the board of management and head of the council's Strategic Research Unit, maintains that at 35 million, people of Turkish ethnic origin make up the majority in Iran -- nearly half of the Iranian population -- and made a point of saying that should the US have any plans regarding Iran, it should discuss the issue not only with Turkey and Azerbaijan, but also with Azeri Turks in Iran.
As an Iranian nationalist do you know what that dream is my friend?They assert that their goal is a century-old dream which goes back to the days before the foundation of modern Iran in 1925, and is therefore independent from any other initiative.
This is my favorate part of the article in the link AttilaA posted.
The forum aims to bring the troubles in the area of human rights facing Azeri Turks in Iran to the world public, to demand education in their mother tongue and to create public awareness about the rights of the Azeri population in Iran. It was also noted at the press conference that although Armenians are a small minority in Iran, they freely enjoy their cultural heritage, while Turkic culture remains subject to oppression.
Well, your "favorite part of the article" is true to the last bit, which is even reflected in Iran's foreign policy.
Not half but quarter if that makes you happy, which is still a big number.
As an Iranian from Azeri backgorund I never understood this massive oppression that Pan-Turk movement claims. Iran's supreme leader is Azeri ffs.
You get Azeri TV channel on the national network. The whole province speaks Azeri and Azeris are pretty much active all over Iran. I say there is more hate between Azeris from city of Ardebil and city of Tabriz than there is hate from government (which has many Azeris in it anyways).
And how does it help ethnic Azeri Turks that the supreme leader is an ethnic Azeri? Or in what way does he care about it, unlike his Persian counterparts? Are you going to deny that Iran nowadays equals to "Persia"? Everything is centered around that ethnicity.
Really, can you give us some examples? Azeri TV channels that run 24/7 on public network? And what, were you going to forbid people talk in their native language in streets?
About these "Azeris" in government or whatever places, we have a good word for them, "Manqurt", those who lose their self-idenity.
The popullation of Iranian Azaris are no more than 12 million and 90 percent do not follow your ideology.
You should read this detailed study backed by many experts and reliable sources, here is the conclusion which was adressed to USA in regards to the Pan Turkist letter in 2005 to USA with inflated numbers.
The current Ethnologue figure of 2009 (unlike that of the 2005), despite pressures from pan-Turkist and politically oriented groups is correct. Also I have shown that the Azerbaijani population in Iran based on provincial statistics can be upperbounded by 12 million. I would like to add that Azeris are prominent members of Iran’s society (the supreme leader of Iran is an Azeri) and thus due to their presence in the government, economy and armed forces, some sources might have over-estimated their number. In 1890, the total Tatar (what Azeri’s were called then) was 1 million out of 6 million or approximately 16-17%. In the 1906 constitutional revolution, Persian was declared as the official language and schooling was done in this language. Before that, Persian was the main composition language of all of Iran and was the only language that was systematically thought alongside Arabic in the traditional schooling (Maktab) system. The current population of Iran according to the official census of 2006 is 70 million and assuming steady growth for all groups (actually large number of Azeris specially in Tehran have adopted Persian), the population of Azeris would be between 11-12 million. This agrees with the provincial statistics and some of the expert sources brought. It agreed with basically all actual census that was carried out in Iran even in the year 2009. Of course the pan-Turkist groups will claim 20, 25, 30,35,40,45 million (in 2009), but these claims are of political and not scientific nature. So why are these political claims made? I believe they are psychological, that is the pan-Turkists want to feel bigger than they are and want to influence foreign governments that they are a huge force. They should note that out of the 12 million or so Azeris, the overwhelming majority of Iranian Azeris are not with them and they should also note that situation of Iran might change one day, and it is not prudent to antagonize the Iranian population (not only patriotic Azeris but the majority Iranic speakers of the country who are indeed no friends of pan-Turkist concepts).
http://azargoshnasp.net/Pasokhbehani...nipulation.htm
Again Pan-Turk rubbish never come up with truth but BS, I don't know why I bother but here you go:
http://azeri.irib.ir/
try Sabalan TV, you will love it (I actually doubt it though, you seem to be just another misguided seperationist Tork)
http://www2.irib.ir/tech/frequency/en/intelsat.htm
I don't think I need to explain what IRIB is!
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...230852,00.htmlThe possibility of Iranian disintegration is indeed the regime’s weak link, but also its strength. All minorities realize that should the government fall, the result would be chaos and even a civil war, exactly as happened in Lebanon between 1975 and 1989, and as is happening in Syria at this time.Iranian citizens are looking at Syria and seeing themselves. This is the reason why despite the oppression and their sense of disgust with the regime, they can continue to support it as a buffer between them and a vacuum entailing ethnic slaughter.
This is where the growing economic sanctions enter the picture, further unraveling the ethnic fabric. Yet here is the paradox: As the tendency to split and disintegrate will grow, it may also reinforce the notion that there is no other choice but this regime, and that if it falls, everyone would have to fall with it. After all, they have no other place to go to.
Hence, the Iranian regime’s main weakness is also its main strength.
Kraf001, excuse me, but you are giving some state propaganda as an example, who spits out state mollah propaganda instead of cultural service.
Are you trying to argue the fact that you can hear Azeri language in radios and in streets? And according to you, this means that Azeri Turks are granted language and cultural rights?
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