Unions are just another bad business.....
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/05/1...for-union.html
Pretty much the entire family tree, sisters, daughter, nephews, nieces all sucking from the union dues teet for exorbitant sums.
First class air travel, high end cars, ownership stake in a business jet......that doesn't sound very socialist or helpful for the hardworking blue collar fellas they supposedly represent.
That sounds just like a bad business....which is what unions are, just another business/industry.
And the best part is they're boilermakers Min
Nobody really needs Unions anymore. They've outlived their usefulness for the most part. While they bitch and moan every year more and more willing people enter the global workforce. For every single whiny unionista there are at least 1000 eager employees wanting work.
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And the best part is they're boilermakers Min
And they've never pulled a wrench or struck an arc.
Seriously: Boiler Hogs, Longshoremen and Teamsters execs are-the crookedest pack of bastards to ever put on a silk shirt and a gold chain.
My old man was a boilermaker and didn't like the Unions too much.
Latest rumor is Bill Shorten banged one of his staff members and got her pregnant.
Unions are corrupt, but corporate managers are not? The daily business news says otherwise.
One of the many reasons I turned away from communism (and by extension socialism in general) is what Orwell so succiently wrote in Animal Farm...that everyone on the farm was equal, but some were more equal than others.
That's nice. What's the relevance?Originally Posted by IconOfEvi
So that means you were a communist, right? When was that? When you were 10 years old?
Not too long ago actually :P
I was a Union member in my former civilian career. I found the Union leadership were just Labour Party hacks, University graduates with no life experience, and certainly no working experience or skills of the "workers'' they claim to represent. I watched the Union leadership sell out so many career groups to outsourcing, these people lost their careers and benefits. But the union leadership was doing fine.
Then they work their way up the Union ranks, take a taxpayer funded position as a staffer for a Labour MP or Minister (if they are in office). Then wait to be parachuted into a safe Labour seat into Parliament for a taxpayer funded career in politics. Many of these people never even bother to take residence in the electorate they claim to represent.
The Union movement in Australia is now a scam, running a protection racket. With the leadership being self serving free loaders. The CEO of QANTAS was right to lock the unions out and ground the airline. Put the unions right in their place.
I worked for several years as a full time lay union officer for a British Trade Union. First of all Trade Unions are by the very nature of what they do are quite machiavellian in nature. There are plenty of reasons for that. Some of them good ones and some of them bad ones. So, I have quite extensive experience of them and how they work.
The conditions these union officers enjoy here seem quite extraordinary to be honest and are as far removed from how British Trade Unions operate in terms of their hierarchy as they pretty much can be. That's not to say that some people here get jobs because of certain political support because sometimes they do.
It's really down to the membership to walk with their feet to try and change it but that's often more difficult to organise than you might realise. British Trade Unions are also legally monitored by a government appointed quango and I'm pretty sure that they would step in if this kind of behaviour was happening here.
For those who say that Trade Unions are not necessary in todays world, you people really need to get out more!
Business is necessary.
But individual businesses and even some business industries are simply not necessary.
Union businesses are as necessary as horse buggy whip businesses are necessary to their respective shrinking customer bases.
When they lose relevancy and they lose credibility they lose the tangible and intangible sense of necessity.
Lots of businesses and industries come and go. And unions are a business and niche industry.
And so what's your point?http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/05/1...for-union.html
Pretty much the entire family tree, sisters, daughter, nephews, nieces all sucking from the union dues teet for exorbitant sums.
First class air travel, high end cars, ownership stake in a business jet......that doesn't sound very socialist or helpful for the hardworking blue collar fellas they supposedly represent.
That sounds just like a bad business....which is what unions are, just another business/industry.
And the best part is they're boilermakers Min
We are ****ing crooks, our wages are ****ing extortionate. ****ing deal with it....................
Your just jealous that your insignificant trade doesn't have the pull of us Boilermakers. Maybe if you had more brains to be able to do things other then tighten a few bolts here and there you might be able to wear the swanky chain yourself. Thought of that?And they've never pulled a wrench or struck an arc.
Seriously: Boiler Hogs, Longshoremen and Teamsters execs are-the crookedest pack of bastards to ever put on a silk shirt and a gold chain.
This is no different to any any other political party not only in Australia but the world over. It's actually a really big annoyance of mine over the political party system. Despite being an ALP man through and through I actually believe the best politician in Australia at the moment is a Liberal member and former minister of the Howard Government.
But to accuse the ALP of this type of behaviour is flat out ignoring that ALL political parties do this. Look what has happened to Slipper for example. Safe Liberal seat, Liberals want Mal Brough in there. You can not tell me non of the **** that is going on over Slipper (which the Liberals were aware of when he was a Liberal) would still happen if they did not want to get in a former minister into his safe seat.
I know it's flogging a dead horse, but when Work Choices went through for many Australian's real wages and conditions actually dropped for those that rely on union representation. It's all fine and good for a person earning good money in a swanky office building in Sydney, but what about the childcare workers, nurses, simple non-skilled labour who got hit hard by those reforms?
Nobody cares about them do they?
And what did the ALP do for them? As Work Choices, a lot of people were make good money under that regime. As many miners reminded their leadership about this fact, and didn't want things to change.
As for Slipper, his local branch kept voting him back into position. Not the Federal leadership of his party. Both parties parachute people into safe seat. But no where near the number the Labour has done, to the point that has become party policy. Like the ALP has been listening to it's local branch members.
I noticed you haven't counted my position on the QANTAS lock out. He used the an ALP/ACTU sponsored Law against them, and they didn't know what to do. I know a few people who work at QANTAS (at all levels of the business). They feel the unions are prepared to see QANTAS go broke (and EVERYONE loses their jobs), just so they can keep their power as a Union.
Bill Hayden recently said, he believed the Labour movement has run it course in Australia. I believe it has, as so many Australian have given up on Unions and the ALP in general.
And your bit about ''earning good money in a swanky office'' just smacks of good old "class warfare'' propaganda.
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