AFP is saying on twitter that one Chinese fisherman that has been in contact with captured fishermen is saying that the detained fisherman has said that he is 100% sure that some of hijackers are Chinese and not all are North Korean. This is an interesting turn of event since it could further indicate these are non state actors and it was not a North Korean authorized action..
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Chi...464/story.htmlOriginally Posted by Netagy
that's is just one, four days ago there were a lot more news about it in Chinese news media there was a lot of heated rhetoric and talk of use of force should the philippines push China further if the philippines continued to violated China's water..
Chinese Official Spokesperson said it wants to solve this issue peacefully and diplomatically. Chinese Foreign Ministry officials said they want to solve this dispute peacefully and diplomatically.
This reporter writes what he wanted to write, regardless what China's official stance is.
well one thing is if these hijackers are not government sponsored by the North Korean government and are operating from North Korean waters it could indicate that the North is starting loose control of its coastal waters allowing ships to operate in and out of Korean waters... Also the fact that it sounds like some of the hijackers had guns is an interesting development.
There is not a chance in hell that something like this would be allowed to continue in a dictatorship like North Korea without sanction from the highest levels of their government. The Chinese will bring an end to this very quickly by simply cutting off aid to the norks. The fishermen and their boats will then be released, and this situation will not be repeated.
Or....the fishermen will be harvested for food.
Could it be a feint?
China "sacrifices" (who knows where these guys are or their circumstances) a few small boats and when any number of folks try to get them to push NK a bit it's easier for China to go "who me"?
Sounds like some Chinese mobsters have hooked up with some rogue elements in the NK marine law enforcement agency. That means the Chinese fisherman's lives are in grave danger now, because those NK law enforcement personals involved will try to avoid capture at all costs.
There is some confirmation from one of the ships owners that it was a North Korean Naval ship and not civilan ship that intercepted and boarded the fishing boats capturing them!
http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_...ngs-by-n-korea
One of the ships’ owners, Sun Caihui, said that the hijackers’ ship was a North Korean naval vessel and that some of the men were wearing uniforms of the Korean People’s Navy, according to a report on Netease, a popular Chinese web portal.
Now another news report I posted earlier said one of the captured fishermen had said on the phone he was %100 sure some of the hijackers were Chinese, this indicates a mix of civilian and North Korean forces operating on the ship..
In the news article in my last post the owner of another one of the ships that was captured said in one newspaper interview
"Zhang said he had received a call from the hijackers on Tuesday threatening to “dispose” of the ships and the fishermen if the ransom was not paid by May 17."
This does not bode well for North Korea, if the crew is killed and it was the North Korean Navy that took part in capturing them then there is going to be major backlash in China against ties with the North..
Why every time there is some new about North Korea it has ever turn in sort of war-spy-science-fiction novel?
Chinese-North Korean pirates operating alone to kidnap chinese fishermen?
It's not maybe A BIT more probable that.. these fishing ships were fishing "a bit" too much close to the border for too many times and got caught by a north korean naval ship sent to stop them? And that the "ransom" it's instead a "fine" that the owners of the fishing boats have to pay to receive the ships (and crew) ?
It's not the first time that happened border accidents between North Korea and China.... and both of them usually kept calm the situation.
I find pretty obvious that the owners of the ships and the sailors are trying with all their efforts to make seems of being the victim of the situation... and i say this for personal experience, when there was Geddafi in Libya our fishermen often intruted to fish in Libyan waters (because they had less trawlers and more fish) with this kind of accidents... at first all the press defended them, then started to say "Well.. Geddafi it's not kind to SHOT at them (they did), but these guys caused the mess"
Conclusion.... this situation will end up like a soap bubble
I have a better idea. How about the Chinese and Taiwanese stop raping every coastline with in their reach and try sustainable fishing in Chinese waters? Who can blame the NK's for protecting their fishing areas from Chinese poaching?
only thing is from some of the current reports is the fishing boats were inside Chinese waters at the time they were boarded, also this does not seem to be a take and arrest situation the fact that the Chinese goverment has not released a full press statement on this besides that they have made contact with the North over the mater and the fact the North has not made any mention on state TV that patrol ships had detained some fishing boats operating illegally in Norths waters seems to indicate even the North Koreans are not sure whats going on also if this a Naval unit that went out of control and is operating on its own accord it could be strong sign that Kim is not maintaining control but things are deteriorating in the North and the North does not want to mention it on state TV..
The fact that it sounds like the captors have threatened the crews lives indicates its not the goverment that's holding the crew in the North since even as desperate as Kim may be to strengthen his power grasp and make himself look strong I dont think he would authorize the killing of Chinese crews since that would force China to cut back even more on aid and what it does with the North..
A lot of mouths to feed in China
It seems these ships were not just fishing boats but where at the time under contract with Wenzhou Engineering Survey Institute for work! http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/wo...nmen.html?_r=1
There were conflicting accounts about where the fishing boats originated. Most said they were from the city of Dalian in the northeast, but on Thursday an engineer from the Wenzhou Engineering Survey Institute, in the southern province of Zhejiang, sent messages on Twitter and on China’s Sina Weibo microblog service saying the boats were from his institute and asking the public to pressure Beijing to take action.
“I have two appeals,” the engineer, Lu Zichuan, wrote. “First, release our people safely, this is most important; second, release the boats.”
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