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    Quote Originally Posted by Telmar View Post
    Compared to Sarkozy's first government, there are more people altogether and a significant increase in expenditures.

    But with Sarkozy or Hollande, I really wonder if you need that many people to run the country. One of my former bosses told me that once you create a position in a company, the person who gets it fills up his day and can actually be busy. But is the guy or gal's "busyness" of any use to the others?
    Indeed but then if Fillon-1 had 21 members. Fillon-2 went to 30 and Fillon-3 33. Expenditures. One would have to bring back ministres sans portefeuille like one upon a time .

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Indeed but then if Fillon-1 had 21 members. Fillon-2 went to 30 and Fillon-3 33. Expenditures. One would have to bring back ministres sans portefeuille like one upon a time .
    and famous "secret funds" allocated to ministries in cash. I wonder if it was Chirac or Sarkozy who stopped this insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telmar View Post
    and famous "secret funds" allocated to ministries in cash. I wonder if it was Chirac or Sarkozy who stopped this insanity.
    It stopped? I thought Hollande was going to stop it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telmar View Post
    Compared to Sarkozy's first government, there are more people altogether and a significant increase in expenditures.
    Actually, it will be less : 353k € under Hollande, 470k € under Sarkozy :
    http://www.liberation.fr/politiques/2012/05/17/cure-d-austerite-pour-les-ministres_819566

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nansouty View Post
    Actually, it will be less : 353k € under Hollande, 470k € under Sarkozy :
    http://www.liberation.fr/politiques/2012/05/17/cure-d-austerite-pour-les-ministres_819566
    Fillon I was much more economical. Fillon II (one year old) was not . I can't wait for Ayrault II to make the comparisons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    It stopped? I thought Hollande was going to stop it....
    Hollande is a Mitterand guy. They loved the stuff. Secret money, intaxed, unaudited, given at the minister's discretion. Those are really the stuff where you see France's shortcomings in accountability and integrity. But I assure you. it is over...officially over. They said so.

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    There are some really interesting choices in Ayrault's cabinet. Therre's really a very heavy weight in there, Laurent Fabius, at a key minister, foreign affairs. Lots of people hate him here over a public health scandal (but he was tried, at his request, and found not guilty), and so he has a very poor image. He is worth much more than it, in my opinion. He is a pragmatist politically (he's gone with both wings of the socialist party), but no one can question his dedication to France's interests. He'll be a left wing Juppé in my opinion, so you should expect to see France continue the return to more traditional ways initiated under Juppé, away from the more atlantist ones of the beginnings of Sarkozy's tenure. His no vote in the 2005 referendum can mean he'll be pushing for a more protectionist EU policy : expect a row with Merkel, but actually, the winds are blowing this way now, so maybe that will be his time.

    The defence minister, Le Driant, is quite in the same vein as other socialist defence miniters here. Competent, but hardly news makers. I expect he'll continue our current policy, and keep drawing down our forces and capacities. Nothing will change much from Sarko, perhaps we'll see officialized the abandonment of our second carrier (the latest British change of mind would be an excellent pretext).
    This said, defence and foreign affairs are the traditional part of the President himself, so we will have some hints when he attends NATO summit today. But I'd be quite surprised if he did not take some leads from Fabius.

    We now have a somewhat confusing pair in charge of the economy : Moscovici was a close ally of Strauss Kahn, and part of the Socialist Party's right wing : he's holding some very conservative financial views. But he's working with Arnaud Montebourg, the ebullient leader of the Socialist left wing, who is a strong opponent of globalization. I'm a bit puzzled here, so we'll see. The fact that Mosco's qui experienced, while Montebourgs is just starting a ministerial career, may well give him more say.

    Lastly, the Interior ministry falls to Valls, who is another socialist party right winger (to the point he endorsed quite a few ideas of Sarkozy, and consequently fared abysmally in the socialist primary), so I don't expect to see a lot of change here. I won't hide I'd be disappointed however not to see Guéant's last decrees rescinded, as they allow merging electronic files on everyone, are are a threat to public liberties...

    Well, my 2 cts at any rate. Take all I said witha grain of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telmar View Post
    Fillon I was much more economical. Fillon II (one year old) was not . I can't wait for Ayrault II to make the comparisons.
    Fillon 1 lasted but one month in 2007... after that it was expanded with 10 more members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nansouty View Post
    Fillon 1 lasted but one month in 2007... after that it was expanded with 10 more members.
    Let's wait for Ayrault II after parliamentary elections.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telmar View Post
    Hollande is a Mitterand guy. They loved the stuff. Secret money, intaxed, unaudited, given at the minister's discretion. Those are really the stuff where you see France's shortcomings in accountability and integrity. But I assure you. it is over...officially over. They said so.
    Waiting for the illegal offspring to pop out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Waiting for the illegal offspring to pop out.
    He wasnt married, so who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    He wasnt married, so who cares?
    ... It was a reference to Mitterrand. Chill out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    ... It was a reference to Mitterrand. Chill out.
    I understand, but due to Hollande never being officially married, he could have a lot of children beside the ones he has, and nobody would care. After all he already has 4 of them, so he obviously doesnt like using condom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    I understand, but due to Hollande never being officially married, he could have a lot of children beside the ones he has, and nobody would care. After all he already has 4 of them, so he obviously doesnt like using condom.

    Now I understand why this Forum thinks Germanz have no Humarr. It was done on purpose. Hollande not married. Ergo no Mitterrand-like issue. Waiting for the offspring...like waiting for Godot.

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    +4 ministers. 38 ministers now while we had 33 under Fillon. Nansouty, any comment?

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