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    Last time i checked a shot to the leg was not a warning shot.

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    A lot of discussion about the use of the term warning shot.

    In the original article, warning shot was in quotation marks. The intention of the shooter, according to his own account, was to fire a warning shot. If I had written A shot B, some might complain that there was no intention to shoot him and that hitting him was an accident.

    As intentions matter, I still feel, that usinging "warning shot" is better than just "shot".

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasch View Post
    Due to other burglaries and crimes the 26-year-old Swiss with Balkan roots is currently in prison. The cannabis plantation was found and the shooter spent 110 days in pre-trial custody.

    http://www.nzz.ch/aktuell/zuerich/st....16990472.html (in German)

    Balkan roots? Who are we talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero11 View Post
    Balkan roots? Who are we talking about?
    The guy who was shoot was Albanien from Kosovo before being nationalied Swiss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasch View Post
    The guy who was shoot was Albanien from Kosovo before being nationalied Swiss.
    How nice, if he had done this few years ago he would have been Serbian. At least the load is being shared by the whole region instead of Serbia alone. Poor Swiss criminal attacked by a dangerous fellow from the Balkans. Let's forget the shooting for a moment, am I the only one that noticed the bit about the "shooter" having an illegal set up and a firearm? Drug dealer?


    The whole article screams "Swiss journalism at it's best"...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOrangeMan View Post
    So, let me see if I get this straight. Burglar walks towards the shooter with the equivalent of a knive, shooter gets afraid for his life, shoots the thief on the leg and The Supreme Court claims the defense was not proportionate? It's a f*cked up justice system they got there in Switzerland.

    Self defence in Europe generally encompasses an equivalent level of violence. So generally Firearm vs Blunt/Sharp item is not really ****e to move the magistrate on your corner. However the victim of the burglary was provoked by the burglar, he was threatened (in stance). Judgement notionals are not perfect.

    On the warning shot: Switzerland has no defintion of a warning shot, therefore this is left to the appreciation of the judge (IE the title is partial to the defendant to me here).

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    a warning shot to the head would have rid us from two scumbags - one permanently, the other for a loger period than 7 months

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero11 View Post
    The whole article screams "Swiss journalism at it's best"...........
    Are you referring to what I wrote or the article of the NZZ linked (in German). I am no journalist, so if you are referring to what I wrote, your argument is not valid. If you speak German and read the article, I still doubt, that the claims you make are valid. There is no sensationalism and the nationality or his place of origin of the burglar does not play a major role.

    Quote Originally Posted by zero11 View Post
    How nice, if he had done this few years ago he would have been Serbian. At least the load is being shared by the whole region instead of Serbia alone. Poor Swiss criminal attacked by a dangerous fellow from the Balkans. Let's forget the shooting for a moment, am I the only one that noticed the bit about the "shooter" having an illegal set up and a firearm? Drug dealer?
    Again, you clearly misrepresent what I wrote ot what is written in the article. Some news outlets reported the nationality, some didn't. I haven't seen nationalistic reports an any new outlet, not even in the Swiss yellow press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasch View Post
    Are you referring to what I wrote or the article of the NZZ linked (in German). I am no journalist, so if you are referring to what I wrote, your argument is not valid. If you speak German and read the article, I still doubt, that the claims you make are valid. There is no sensationalism and the nationality or his place of origin of the burglar does not play a major role.
    let me remind you:

    "Due to other burglaries and crimes the 26-year-old Swiss with Balkan roots is currently in prison."

    "Wegen Einbrüchen und anderer Delikte sitzt der 26-jährige Schweizer mit Balkan-Wurzeln zurzeit eine Freiheitsstrafe ab."


    The whole article potrays the "shooter" as the victim and then spices it up by bringing up the "Balkan" factor. The poor "shooter" had "angst bekomen", wow, balkaner spying on a poor drug dealer and then stalking him, threatning him, trying to attack him with a screw driver etc etc.

    "Er habe «die Hosen voll» gehabt und gedacht, dass er nun umgebracht würde." can you translate this bit for us who don't speak German?

    To be honest the best outcome would have been if they had taken each other out for good, both are scum IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zero11 View Post
    let me remind you ...
    The NZZ is not known to be very lurid and I disagree with your assessment.

    Quote Originally Posted by zero11 View Post
    "Er habe «die Hosen voll» gehabt und gedacht, dass er nun umgebracht würde." can you translate this bit for us who don't speak German?
    "He (the shooter) had almost **** his pants/was afraid and feared he was going to get killed."

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