Reply With Quote^^^ I am not shooting at pocoloco, I am shooting at the article subject. pocoloco was just close to the line of fire.
Don't shoot the messenger, he is just quoting the article in the Independent...Originally Posted by BogT
^^^ I am not shooting at pocoloco, I am shooting at the article subject. pocoloco was just close to the line of fire.
Well the article is from British paper, so I don't know where this talk about US taking into this "Finnish/Nordic way" of things started? Anyways, of course it would be quite impossible to maintain any level of any kind of society intact if there were a sudden influx of people moving in in great numbers, especially if those people wouldn't speak the language etc. Last time something like that happened over here was after the WW2 with refugees from Karelia and they were Finnish citizens.
Yet I think that any country of any size can follow (or could have gone the way of) the Nordic system, it all depends on what kind of web of laws, social support, taxation etc are decided on. And of course the change can not happen overnight but maybe step by step... if that is the will of the people and those making the decisions (as they should represent the people that have chosen them as their representatives in the first place). But as you say, it is easier with smaller nations and/or states/communities.
The influx of people, who do not want to integrate into the society has already caused some trouble and more so in Sweden, which has had more open door-policy. Especially Malmö/Rosengården leaps to mind.
Last edited by Piirka; 05-24-2012 at 11:25 AM. Reason: typo
Piirka, in defense of immigrants, I bet I can out Finn you in Finland. Jos hyväksyt haasteen aion tavata paikassa Lapissa, talvella ensi vuonna.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt9uYxm1dhM
You know, that experience could be worth getting stabbed atleast once.
I also saw these type of comparisons coming from US people (saw it in person or on some political shows). I never like when people are so quick to disregard their culture and accomplishments just because somethings do not work properly at a particular time. It's like wanting to rebuild your ancestral house because you don't know how to stop a liking faucet.
Don't forget to keep in mind that successful countries attract students and temporary workers (2-4 years in academia, business, constructions, agriculture, etc.) that don't plan to stay there after their job is done and they definitely don't want to retire there. These people don't want to be assimilated. They are just people that sell their skills for the best offer on a large (international, either EU or world) market. I would go even further and say that the local population should not even be allowed to try to assimilate these people since they are invited to come and work there, due to the skills they posses (these are not immigrants).
So, the more successful you become as a country, the more foreigners you will have, which require your local laws and customs to also consider their needs (for example: as a young person, I don't want to pay into an expensive state health care program that takes into consideration ones old age needs, since I will not plan to become old there - my needs are more individualistic; similar arguments for the need of private schools - I am preparing my kid for the world not just for the system of one country; culturally, I may have a different religion or even worse, I may have only a slightly different religion - just celebrate Xmas on a different day and you will stand out from the crowd). These laws will appear naturally as you try to attract these kind of people so you can become more successful. And give it enough time and you will discover that the previous homogeneous culture and easy to deal with society have now layers and layer.
Basically, does not matter how you start, when you get at the top you become like US (not US, but like US). And a good example of this change is Sweden, which is not closing it's foreign influx because it achieved a sufficient development for its population. It's human nature not to stop middle way in a successful endeavor if you're pretty sure you can have the rest. So Piirka, I will not shed a tear for Sweden (plus Roxette, Ace of Base, The Cardigans, and soulless electronic music).
P.S. immigrant = a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country. Different rules apply! The two problem are linked and contribute to the changes in a society, but they are different problems.
Sorry Suomi... but I jumped ship for Sweden.
Reminds me off
Umm... I don't know how to break this to you, but Volvo... is now chinese.
I have no problem with working and taxpaying foreign people, if they don't compete with locals for jobs. People coming here to take advantage of our generosity on the other hand should be stopped on the border. No chance of that happening with EU and Schengen-treaty and all...
LMAO! Nice oneReminds me off
There is also the term "movie theatre" used. Movie = elokuva (meaning btw. living picture) and theatre = teatteri...Reminds me off
YOU TRAITOR!Sorry Suomi... but I jumped ship for Sweden.Et tu, Brute?
At 5 million, wouldn't you think there is no competition? Just asking. I would be against immigrants if they dont completely assimilate and I mean no connection to the country they came from by the second generation.
Well, preferential treatment for those people, who come fill a deficiency in our work force and not so to others. And on immigrants I agree. Preferably people with similar culture to our own, so it is easier for them to mold in...
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