Still remember my first day as a substitute teacher for 13-15 yo kids many years ago (I think I was 22 back then). Kids were in queue in schools diner and I happily cut in the first place, of course. It happened that this lad, who had flunked twice IIRC was next. He got angry of my action, mistaking me for a new student, grabbing my arm and growling "who the fvck are you, you ****ing gay overtaking me". I just glanced at him and told him that I'm his new history teacher and what comes to his remark, he's the one who grabbed me and thus the questionable thing is actually his own ****** orientation. His friends laughed and mocked him, he blushed and from that point onwards had no trouble with him during my days as a teacher over there.
Of course with police powers I would have happily tasered him
Not really got the detail of the incident, ages, sexes and so on.....so its hard to comment on the Swedish issue.
My Mrs is a teacher (for kids up to 12 in the UK), and no they should not hit kids EVER, they can defend themselves and its about restraint not a full on punch up, or teaching them a lesson in starting a fight with someone bigger and tougher. Sometime the kids have "issues" out of their control. But the first things teachers should do is "get help" (witness)
Its the same with cops, if someone throws a punch at a cop does it give them a right to pan there face in, and hospitalise them? Well not in the UK anyway.
Teachers are trying to show violence does not solve the issue. You cant even put sun cream on a child, or if they **** themselves help them clean up. But she does work with young kids, many are little ****s (most of the time parents fault) Now teenages are another kettle of fish. But when we live in a nation where punishing kids (making the skin red) is a sure fire trip to social services, or the Police...can teachers beat kids black and blue? Well if they want to end up jobless and in jail...YEP
But its not in the job description to batter kids, or take a kicking.... but then again neither is.......hours of planning every night, teacher on teacher bullying and backstabbing, useless unions, aggressive parents, govements changing everything whenever it suits... but the low pay is made clear.
However if say a "Asylum seeker" from a country I could not place in Africa comes to the UK, not only do the school have to employ a one on one teacher at a cost of near £1000 per week for one kid, and the school have to tollerate the kid taking a dump in the middle of the playground, and the kid being less than clean....and the parents are using school like fricking day care , and always pick the kid up last, despite they dont work...is that right? When the same school has 1 teacher for a class of 35 kids to one poor teacher on £500 per week. Should one kid have £1000 per week teaching expense, when others have £15 per week?
1/3 of kids in her school are on "watch lists" of some kind this can be from minor stuff i.e one parent is a piss head.....to parents that are smack heads, or violent. But one thing I do know is teacher are only trying to do the best for kids, issues kids are having are normally down to parental issues. Anyone that thinks tasering kids etc...should not be near kids, or I pity your nation.
If anyone needs a kicking its the parents half the time...but that another deabte.
I'm happy that you noticed the smiley at the end of my post. Of course kids shouldn't be tasered or maltreated by their teachers, there are other authorities to deal with violent cases amongst the teen-agers (the lad in my example was 17 years old, two years older than his class-mates since he had flunked twice).
Of course teen-aged rascal behaving violently towards teachers or class-mates shouldn't be part of the "normal" school, if this behaviour is constant and yet-random/sudden. But if they are, teachers won't have many means to defend themselves or other kids so maybe the future will see more of security personnel in schools here as well?
Was not really directed at you in particular, someone made the same "taser" comment on page one...But yes, I take these comments with a pinch of salt. The point really you raise is valid, teachers get the bum end of the deal, what do they do defend themselves and risk Police, Local authorities, and parents wrath...or take a kicking. All the issue lead back most of the time to lack of social responsibility, and bad parenting. Its the parents that probally need the Taser. But as soon as you have teacher being the Police its a road to trouble.
In the UK school's must have a active "Inclusion" policy which again causes huge issues, imagine a kid with autism freaks out and the teacher put one finger on them.....Or having to spend a dis proportional amount of time giving all religions the same platform. Teachers are told NOT to use Facebook in the UK due to knob parents spying....god help you if you are a teacher and let your hair down.
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