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    Russia tests secret missile after Nato shield launched

    A new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) so secret it has no name yet has been successfully tested in Russia, the defence ministry says. The new weapon is designed to penetrate Nato's European missile defence shield, Russian defence sources told the Interfax news agency. The test came days after Nato said its system had reached "interim operational capability".

    The missile carried a dummy warhead and was fired 6,000km (3,730 miles).
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18172726

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    Apparently (according to Artjohm and others) it was the Avangard ICBM, more or less a replacement for the UR-100.

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    Not that secret though, if they made news about it

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    So it has manoeuvrable re-entry vehicles that can escape interception ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xav View Post
    So it has manoeuvrable re-entry vehicles that can escape interception ?
    It's land based variant of Bulava. Congratulation to russian engineers on successfully completing this program.

    One can talk about russian MARV when they successfully test hypersonic missiles of falcon or at least AHW type.
    So far it''s good old "I'll kill you".

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    Quote Originally Posted by xav View Post
    So it has manoeuvrable re-entry vehicles that can escape interception ?

    They had them with topol-M if not mistaken.

    Arty had this to say about the missile.

    It's Avangard, a new ICBM. It used Topol-M first stage and more energetic fuels for shorter boost phase. And, possibly, a new bus-less multiple warhead stage (MITT has been advertising this new thing for some time).

    It's the same missile that failed last September.

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    Kommersant made a claim today based on sources in the military that the new missile is a land-based version of Bulava.

    Kommersant is generally reliable, take this with a condiment of your choice. Previously, Kommersant and Vedomosti said it used a Topol-M stage (as I mentioned before).

    They also claimed it is designed for 10 warheads (Bulava has 6), which implies a pretty significant modification to the original SLBM. This is the part where I start doubting these "sources".

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    Quote Originally Posted by artjomh View Post
    Kommersant made a claim today based on sources in the military that the new missile is a land-based version of Bulava.

    Kommersant is generally reliable, take this with a condiment of your choice. Previously, Kommersant and Vedomosti said it used a Topol-M stage (as I mentioned before).

    They also claimed it is designed for 10 warheads (Bulava has 6), which implies a pretty significant modification to the original SLBM. This is the part where I start doubting these "sources".
    Yeah, a 10-warhead missile to replace the UR-100N makes sense. With approximately 10,000KM range.

    I suspect it will be far smaller than the UR-100N, though.

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    UR-100N has a 4 times heavier payload than Bulava. Putting 10 warheads on the existing Bulava (with no modifications) would shrink the weight of each RV from approximately 90-100 kg to around 50-60 kg, which is extremely small for an ICBM.

    More likely is that UR-100N is goIng to be replaced by a silo-based Makeyev/NPO Mash 4-ton payload liquid missile, while this new thing is a future replacement for the Topol-M/Yars mobile solid ICBMs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbody View Post
    POS article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artjomh View Post
    UR-100N has a 4 times heavier payload than Bulava. Putting 10 warheads on the existing Bulava (with no modifications) would shrink the weight of each RV from approximately 90-100 kg to around 50-60 kg, which is extremely small for an ICBM.

    More likely is that UR-100N is goIng to be replaced by a silo-based Makeyev/NPO Mash 4-ton payload liquid missile, while this new thing is a future replacement for the Topol-M/Yars mobile solid ICBMs.
    They are replacing both the UR-100N and R-36M with something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shilo View Post
    They are replacing both the UR-100N and R-36M with something?
    http://russianforces.org/blog/2011/0...rtedly_w.shtml

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2010/1...ew_mirve.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by artjomh View Post
    UR-100N has a 4 times heavier payload than Bulava. Putting 10 warheads on the existing Bulava (with no modifications) would shrink the weight of each RV from approximately 90-100 kg to around 50-60 kg, which is extremely small for an ICBM.

    More likely is that UR-100N is goIng to be replaced by a silo-based Makeyev/NPO Mash 4-ton payload liquid missile, while this new thing is a future replacement for the Topol-M/Yars mobile solid ICBMs.
    I am a bit puzzled why UR-100N and not SS-N-20? Or even better variant: why not Trident I?
    Anyway RIA claims (i.e. here http://ria.ru/spravka/20111227/527639138.html) Bulava can have 10 warheads. Do they lie too?

    I would rather expect that this "unknown official" just said "it's land based Bulava" with stressing attention on "new fuel" thing (see "nano technologies" meme) and everything else being added by journalist later during writing. "Normal thing".

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    In any case congratulations to the engineers that actualized this accomplishment.

    It is only an intelligible supposition that most of the technical specifications would remain confidential to the public.

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