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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWarder View Post
    You don't understand, they don't come from europe (all though some do) the smuggling rings, the guys getting the money for smuggling them to Israel, are based in Europe.

    The easiest scapegoat are the Bedouin in Sinai.

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    Not with the financial flux going from Europe (and Israel) to Africa, they don't. Obviously The Israeli Minister of Interior is not good at tracking wealth...

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    The legal foreign workers don't seem to cause any trouble and provoke any outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWarder View Post


    With the current rate they will reach a million in a year or two.




    The minister of interior says otherwise and I have a feeling his sources are better than yours...

    Warder
    You minister of interior can also be full of hot air, won't be the first time.
    We are dealing with the same rings in Europe as most of your immigrants come from countries that send their immigrants to us too (as Kote as pointed, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Cameroon, Nigeria........)
    For these countries the rings are known and they are locals and with trans border ties (i.e for example somebody coming from Senegal to Spain is taken in account by a Senegalese ring, then a Moroccan/Algerian ring)
    For the Sudanese, Erythrean, Ethiopian the rings are Egyptians mostly (often linked with Beduins smugglers)

    Anyway i have a question : given that Israel is supposed to have one of the most secure border around the world, how do you explain so much immigrants end up there ? I know that you can't stop 100 % of traffic but that raised some question about your border security

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    and let s get this straight, israel as many countries in the world is full of ****ing SOB's too. We are not that special

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    You minister of interior can also be full of hot air, won't be the first time.
    We are dealing with the same rings in Europe as most of your immigrants come from countries that send their immigrants to us too (as Kote as pointed, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Cameroon, Nigeria........)
    For these countries the rings are known and they are locals and with trans border ties (i.e for example somebody coming from Senegal to Spain is taken in account by a Senegalese ring, then a Moroccan/Algerian ring)
    For the Sudanese, Erythrean, Ethiopian the rings are Egyptians mostly (often linked with Beduins smugglers)

    Anyway i have a question : given that Israel is supposed to have one of the most secure border around the world, how do you explain so much immigrants end up there ? I know that you can't stop 100 % of traffic but that raised some question about your border security
    The security is against terror and they come most of the time from Sinai. The border is long with no fence. A fence is under construction but won't be finished before the end of the year. Once they cross the border, they seat down and wait to be picked up by a patrol. The soldiers do not expel them back to were they came from (Egypt), because the Egyptians shoot them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    You minister of interior can also be full of hot air, won't be the first time.
    We are dealing with the same rings in Europe as most of your immigrants come from countries that send their immigrants to us too (as Kote as pointed, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Cameroon, Nigeria........)
    For these countries the rings are known and they are locals and with trans border ties (i.e for example somebody coming from Senegal to Spain is taken in account by a Senegalese ring, then a Moroccan/Algerian ring)
    For the Sudanese, Erythrean, Ethiopian the rings are Egyptians mostly (often linked with Beduins smugglers)

    Anyway i have a question : given that Israel is supposed to have one of the most secure border around the world, how do you explain so much immigrants end up there ? I know that you can't stop 100 % of traffic but that raised some question about your border security
    Because, thanks to the Camp David agreement, the south frontiers have no fence. We are building one, more against this illegal immigration and drugs and goods smuggling than security reasons, but las year Eilat attack, is also a reason to finally build one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post

    Anyway i have a question : given that Israel is supposed to have one of the most secure border around the world, how do you explain so much immigrants end up there ? I know that you can't stop 100 % of traffic but that raised some question about your border security
    Untill recently there wasn't even a proper fence on the Sinai border.

    IDF patrols round up African migrants they come across and take them in as sending them back the way they came is a death sentence at the hands of the Egyptians.

    If the promises are anything to go by then the fence will be ready in October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    Anyway i have a question : given that Israel is supposed to have one of the most secure border around the world, how do you explain so much immigrants end up there ? I know that you can't stop 100 % of traffic but that raised some question about your border security
    The border with Egypt never been secure. We (still) have peace with Egypt, remember?

    Only recently we started building a fence.

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    @Camera, Climber and Eitan and JGXL
    Thxs for the answer

    @JGXL
    Well you still had patrols. But i got my answer, the illegals are indeed intercepted but not sent back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Not with the financial flux going from Europe (and Israel) to Africa, they don't. Obviously The Israeli Minister of Interior is not good at tracking wealth...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    You minister of interior can also be full of hot air, won't be the first time.
    We are dealing with the same rings in Europe as most of your immigrants come from countries that send their immigrants to us too (as Kote as pointed, Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Cameroon, Nigeria........)
    For these countries the rings are known and they are locals and with trans border ties (i.e for example somebody coming from Senegal to Spain is taken in account by a Senegalese ring, then a Moroccan/Algerian ring)
    For the Sudanese, Erythrean, Ethiopian the rings are Egyptians mostly (often linked with Beduins smugglers)

    Anyway i have a question : given that Israel is supposed to have one of the most secure border around the world, how do you explain so much immigrants end up there ? I know that you can't stop 100 % of traffic but that raised some question about your border security
    Obviously, you are much better informed than the ministry of the interior, you should run for office.

    Warder

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    Obviously, you are much better informed than the ministry of the interior, you should run for office.
    Thanks. I am thinking about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackWarder View Post
    Obviously, you are much better informed than the ministry of the interior, you should run for office.

    Warder
    I can arrange for you a smuggling trip if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    @Camera, Climber and Eitan and JGXL
    Thxs for the answer

    @JGXL
    Well you still had patrols. But i got my answer, the illegals are indeed intercepted but not sent back.
    sending back would be a death sentence for them, and they are discussing in the Knesset and High court on what to do, if deportation is possible or not. One thing is sure, the fence will have to stop them before coming. With the ones already living here, Some are real refugees some just opportunist. If is up to me , we have to integrate them......but I am living in Buenos Aires not in my kibbutz, so I have no word in this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Climber View Post
    sending back would be a death sentence for them, and they are discussing in the Knesset and High court on what to do, if deportation is possible or not. One thing is sure, the fence will have to stop them before coming. With the ones already living here, Some are real refugees some just opportunist. If is up to me , we have to integrate them......but I am living in Buenos Aires not in my kibbutz, so I have no word in this matter.
    Sending them to independent South Sudan wouldn't be a death sentence for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGXL836 View Post
    Sending them to independent South Sudan wouldn't be a death sentence for them.
    Same faith as sending them to North Sudan.

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