ATF to accept public comments prior to outlawing shotguns

[Chulo]

Assuming I win the bid that ends in 2 hrs - $1000. (Which is down from the $1800 they were scalping them from three months ago.) Wait period is however long it take UPS to get it to my FFL.

Eh.. way above the MSRP $850. I'll just pray they are not outlawed next year.. :P

[NeedsABetterName]

Not 100% certain, but the Mini-Bus bill was a funding bill (Continuing Resolution) for FY12, so no money could be used during FY12 but that doesn't mean it couldn't be funded in subsequent year.

So if this is something that interests you contact ATF at the email address.

We're still in FY12 until October 1. So, any action on an import ban of something that was legal in January 2011 isn't going to fly, pursuant to that section. I read up on it; that section's only good through the fiscal year, and would be something that would have to be renewed. It's a relatively small section though; should be pretty easy for somebody to tack a rider onto one of the various funding bills. Probably easier than usual, actually, since I highly doubt Congress will pass an actual budget anytime in the foreseeable future.

Anyhow, the ATF has my comments. In the mean time, I'll enjoy deleting the slew of e-mails about double-priced Saigas and "get it before the ban."

Also, can you explain the logic behind three gun, IDPA, IPSC, and the various other gun-games being classified as "passtimes," but something like shooting clays is considered a "sport?" Seems to be an unnecessarily vague definition.

[Laconian]

We're still in FY12 until October 1. So, any action on an import ban of something that was legal in January 2011 isn't going to fly, pursuant to that section. I read up on it; that section's only good through the fiscal year, and would be something that would have to be renewed. It's a relatively small section though; should be pretty easy for somebody to tack a rider onto one of the various funding bills. Probably easier than usual, actually, since I highly doubt Congress will pass an actual budget anytime in the foreseeable future.

I am all too familiar with how the FY funding works. No, I do not believe another actual budget will be passed until after the November elections and maybe not even then.

Anyhow, the ATF has my comments. In the mean time, I'll enjoy deleting the slew of e-mails about double-priced Saigas and "get it before the ban."

Also, can you explain the logic behind three gun, IDPA, IPSC, and the various other gun-games being classified as "passtimes," but something like shooting clays is considered a "sport?" Seems to be an unnecessarily vague definition.

Nope.

[C.Puffs]

Eh.. way above the MSRP $850. I'll just pray they are not outlawed next year.. :P

Yep. Availability sucks. You won't find one anywhere for MSRP. Hell, even the PMR-30 is still going for $450-500 and the MSRP is $300.

[Chulo]

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Also, can you explain the logic behind three gun, IDPA, IPSC, and the various other gun-games being classified as "passtimes," but something like shooting clays is considered a "sport?" Seems to be an unnecessarily vague definition. Nope.

Nope.

It think the ambiguity of the laws and the fact that the ATF policy and enforcement seems to be fully based on political lines is why people dont like the ATF much.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Compromise?

Really, so we should give up more of our Rights, so that it appears that we have met the Government half way.

You Euro’s amaze me, I’m sure if you had to work more than 40hrs a week you would get your underwear in a bunch…..

You know as well as I do that there is a perfectly valid compromise solution between pro gun ownership and anti-gun ownership and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what that compromise is.

[Chulo]

You know as well as I do that there is a perfectly valid compromise solution between pro gun ownership and anti-gun ownership and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what that compromise is.

And what is that compromise?

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

How is this legal since D.C. v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago struck down handgun bans?

[Geezah]

You know as well as I do that there is a perfectly valid compromise solution between pro gun ownership and anti-gun ownership and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what that compromise is.

As Chulo asked, what is that compromise?

34 wasn't good enough, 86 wasn't good enough, 89 wasn't good enough, 94 wasn't good enough(lucily this expired), so what more should we give up?

I would say the above were more than enough, but the likes of you think we should give up more?

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Without trolling on this issue for a change

A person should be able to own and use any firearm they want. Even firearms taken directly from the armed forces production run Hell man you can own a .50cal machine gun for all I care.

However firearms should be registered and for semi-automatic and automatic firearms there should be magazine size restrictions.

[Geezah]

Without trolling on this issue for a change

A person should be able to own and use any firearm they want. Even firearms taken directly from the armed forces production run Hell man you can own a .50cal machine gun for all I care.

However firearms should be registered and for semi-automatic and automatic firearms there should be magazine size restrictions.

Registration is one step closer to confiscation, and the reasoning behind magazine size restrictions is..........because the first 10rnds aren't as deadly as the last 20 in a AR15, or the last 5 in a semi auto pistol?

There is no logic behind your thought process other than you being an anti-gunite......I made that word up a many moons ago, along with religionist.....

[vryhpyammoadded]

In my opinion, gun control marches on, always nibbling away at the basic rights of the Constitution. The only compromise needs to be in the other direction where federal gun control regs and bureaucracies are rolled back and the regulations left to the individual state and municipalities to decide within their interpretation of 2^nd amendment rights. The feds only involvement should be in arbitration where individuals and local governments disagree on the 2^nd.

If the anti gun crowed desires to force their blanket will upon us all then they can go through the correct, open and honest method of attempting to pass an amendment to the Constitution limiting the right to individuals bearing arms.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Registration is one step closer to confiscation, and the reasoning behind magazine size restrictions is..........because the first 10rnds aren't as deadly as the last 20 in a AR15, or the last 5 in a semi auto pistol?

.

Like I said both sides do not want to move an inch. Registration lets authorities know whats out there. Can make local government some nice money.........magazine capacity restrictions make them appear less dangerous to those who want guns banned.

If the pro gun side want to appear less militant, more thoughtful then they should know that at a minimum at least coming to the table is the way forward. Likewise those who want guns banned need to realise that a banning is never going to happen and must also come to the table to discuss the issue and both sides negotiate the most practical, cost efficient solution.

[mas-36]

If the anti gun crowed desires to force their blanket will upon us all then they can go through the correct, open and honest method of attempting to pass an amendment to the Constitution limiting the right to individuals bearing arms.

Key words highlighted....therein lies the problem: there is very little correct, open, and honest about the anti-gun crowd's methods.

[C.Puffs]

Without trolling on this issue for a change

A person should be able to own and use any firearm they want. Even firearms taken directly from the armed forces production run Hell man you can own a .50cal machine gun for all I care.

However firearms should be registered and for semi-automatic and automatic firearms there should be magazine size restrictions.

Why are two 20-round magazines less dangerous than one 40--round magazine for a semi-auto gun? The magazine size canard is assinine. Same with registration. Do you think criminals are going to register guns? No? Okay, so what you're really saying is you just want to impose on or tax law-abiding citizens.