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    Quote Originally Posted by ubermensche View Post
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    I'm pretty sure that there are sectors of the Russian economy that are underdevelopped too. I'm not just talking about sectors of the economy or some particular industry, I'm also talking about demographic and geographic location.

    Your view on the different schools of thought is interesting...I guess you can and should take the best out of Keynes, Hayek, Friedman, etc and try to make the best of them all...
    I don't feel like repeating myself so just take a look at artjom's post above to see why China's growth rate is and will be higher than Russia's or other developed countries.

    Yes, demographics play a role too.

    Take a look at economic indicators about natural resources, land mass, arable land, population growth and you will see that countries that had been historically important or are on their way to be international players. Russia is falling behind in the demographics dept. vs other countries.

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    I think some of you guys missing the main growth point of modern economy: its consumers and their ability to consume.
    In case of China and India they have huge amount of people who still consume far less than in any developed country. China has around ~500 mln of peasants who spend no more than $100 per month.
    In Russia consumption is already at the limit of what economy and labor efficiency (производительность труда) allows. It is still lower than in EU/US so there is a room for growth. So 4-5% of annual growth is perfectly normal for Russia, while in EU 1-2% is normal. In 5-10 years our growth will probably fall to EU levels.

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    Wow RTS stock exchange fell 19% in May, because of 11% drop of oil prices. shows how fragile RF financial systems is.







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    ^^^ Yes , This years budget is based in $115 per barrel and now Brent is on $ 108 per barrel .....if this continues or lowers then we might have a budget deficiet much higher than 0.1 projected.

    If the oil prices fall ( Ural Blend ) below $80 then there is serious problem for Russian economy.

    Hopefully this year under Putin as planned they diversify from Oil based economy to something else .... Oil still contributes 50 % of their budget

    How many feel Putin Economic promised he made during recent elections is doable ? Is it too ambitious to be achieved ?

    Guys thanks for your response

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    Putin's economic plan: 'great leap' into the unknown

    MOSCOW — Newly-inaugurated President Vladimir Putin has set hugely ambitious targets to catapult the Russian economy into the modern era but their realism remains in doubt despite a benign short-term outlook.


    Russia is looking with a degree of superiority on the crisis engulfing the debt-ridden eurozone states, predicting only a narrow budget deficit of just 0.3 percent of GDP this year and buoyed by robust first quarter growth.


    But Putin is also acutely aware that a major eurozone crisis would severely wound Russian exporters and limit its receipts of petro-dollars.


    Moreover, the country's economy has yet to fully modernize 20 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union and its vulnerability to external shocks is an acute worry for Putin as he faces the first serious street protests against his rule.


    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, pointman on the economy in the outgoing government, this week gave an unusually frank assessment of Russia's failings, admitting "we cannot say now that Russia is a modern country".


    "We have big social spending, large-scale innovation-based industry is absent, we have underdeveloped institutions and a legal system which needs almost to be created from scratch."


    "We need to bring the economy and the social sphere to modern standards. This is not an empty slogan but the fulfillment of plans on modernization," he told the Vedomosti business daily.


    Hours after taking office on May 7 for his third term as president after his four year stint as prime minister, Putin signed a decree on economic policy apparently aimed at ending Russia's shortcomings once and for all.


    The lofty aims sounded familiar but, if implemented, they would have a truly revolutionary impact on the Russian economy and society.


    Putin ordered the government to take measures:

    -- To create and modernize 25 million high-productivity jobs by 2020.
    -- To increase investment to no less than 25 percent of GDP by 2015.
    -- To boost labour productivity to a level one-and-half times greater than that of 2011.
    -- To lift Russia's position in the World Bank's Doing Business Index from 120 in 2011 to 50 in 2015 and 20 in 2018.
    -- To raise average life expectancy by 2018 to 74 years from the current 70.

    Russia's current ranking on the ease of Doing Business index places it nine places below Ethiopia and two places above Bangladesh.


    The goals are spectacularly ambitious, particularly as they are supposed to be released within the period of his six year presidential term.


    "The goals are reminiscent of the Great Leap Forward in China," the Institute of Development at Moscow's Higher School of Economics (HSE) wrote in a report, referring to the radical modernisation plan of Chinese leader Mao Zedong.


    "Some of the goals -- which in Russian conditions would be realistic to reach within 10-15 years -- have been squeezed into the six-year period, against the laws of nature and economic development," said the Institute's director Natalya Akindinova.


    The institute noted that statistics agency Rosstat only expects the 74 years life expectancy figure to be reached in 2023 and that in a best-case scenario.


    As for the vault up the Doing Business table "there is no example in the history of these tables of a major country making such a jump", Akindinova said.


    In an early boost for Putin, Russia's first quarter growth in 2012 surprised everyone by coming in at robust 4.9 percent at a time of almost unremittingly depressing global economic news especially from the eurozone.


    "The better than expected first quarter GDP growth number shows that Russia, so far, remains relatively well protected from the crisis in Europe," said Chris Weafer, chief strategist at Troika Dialog in Moscow.


    The head of the Russian Central Bank Sergei Ignatiyev this week said he was optimistic, even though a second wave of the economic crisis in Europe could not be ruled out that would see most European states go into recession.


    "But we are better prepared for a future economic crisis than in 2008. We have the experience, the instruments which we can use at practically any moment," he told parliament.
    However Russia still remains vulnerable to a prolonged eurozone crisis and analysts are still skeptical that the country's long term growth will be anything near the levels the government wants to see.


    According to a survey of 30 top economists by the HSE, annual growth in Russia is expected to bump along at 3.5-4.0 percent between now and 2018.


    Most troubling for the government is possibly the prolonged and substantial net capital outflow from the country, which was $84 billion in 2011 and no better this year with capital flight of $35.1 billion in the first quarter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_UA View Post
    Wow RTS stock exchange fell 19% in May, because of 11% drop of oil prices. shows how fragile RF financial systems is.
    Stock index value is absolutely useless parameter in Russia. Trade volume is low, so any profiteer with decent amount of money could move market to plus or minus. Nobody cares because real mass investments are going through different channels, i.e. bank loans.
    Foreign profiteers are using stock exchanges as a risky instruments, it has nothing to do with oil prices at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinJ View Post
    ^^^ Yes , This years budget is based in $115 per barrel and now Brent is on $ 108 per barrel .....if this continues or lowers then we might have a budget deficiet much higher than 0.1 projected.
    We should liberate Saudi Arabia , they oppress democracy . Brent for 200$

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    Stock market drops are associated with the Greek debt talks. Investors are scared, so they take money out of all emerging markets and into US treasuries. It says nothing about the Russian economy other than that investors think it is riskier than the West.

    Which is kinda DUH...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinJ View Post
    ^^^ Yes , This years budget is based in $115 per barrel and now Brent is on $ 108 per barrel .....if this continues or lowers then we might have a budget deficiet much higher than 0.1 projected.

    If the oil prices fall ( Ural Blend ) below $80 then there is serious problem for Russian economy.

    Hopefully this year under Putin as planned they diversify from Oil based economy to something else .... Oil still contributes 50 % of their budget

    How many feel Putin Economic promised he made during recent elections is doable ? Is it too ambitious to be achieved ?

    Guys thanks for your response
    Do you have anything to back up these claims?

    Also, like art said, the stock drop had nothing to do with the oil price drop.

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    Back up which claim ....if you follow Russian economy that you would know the budget has been fixed at oil price of $115.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinJ View Post
    Back up which claim ....if you follow Russian economy that you would know the budget has been fixed at oil price of $115.
    I do follow it. your claims on percentage. As well, when makng claims back them up

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    Do you have anything to back up these claims?

    Also, like art said, the stock drop had nothing to do with the oil price drop.
    He didn't say anything outrageous at all. In fact, iirc, fossil fuels contributes more than 50 % of the budget.

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    Those claims or figures are based on what i have read and listen to analyst , I dont think those are wrong but would be gald to be see it corrected if it is.

    The early they transistion from Oil economy to Knowledge based economy the better is it for russia in the long run ........Oil Money should always be a bonus but the economy should have other driving factors.

    Althought they have enough oil and gas reserves but hope that does not make them complacent

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    Eurassec hold one great promise for future

    EurAsEC trade turnover goes up

    Trade turnover between the EurAsEC countries (Belarus, Kazakhstan. Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan) will exceed $1 trillion dollars by the end of the year, the head of the Eurasian Economic Commission Viktor Khristenko stated in St. Petersburg on May 17.


    He praised the organization which helps its members to speed up and improve the quality of economic integration.


    The official also added that EurAsEC needs to introduce common legislation that will provide for free movement of capital and services. Khristenko believes that the EU is an example to follow while at the same time taking into account the specifics of EurAsEC countries.
    Interfax


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    Quote Originally Posted by metberkut View Post
    He didn't say anything outrageous at all. In fact, iirc, fossil fuels contributes more than 50 % of the budget.
    thats fine. ill ask again: source plz

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