How Alenia is handling the maintenance of the C-27...
In my last post on the M-346 and the related problems of Alenia around
the world, I've mentioned the C-27 situation in Greece as an example and
one of my M-346 forum partners said that that in Afghanistan the C-27 is
doing great! Well, have a look at the item on the WSJ bellow...
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304065704577424411417912118.html>
What are these "problems of Alenia around the world" your speaking of? Yes, you have mentioned the situation in Greece, and admitted that you don't have a lot of insight in the deal. What about other C-27A and J customers? Are they affected as well? In my opinion, it could help to use the official designations for these two aircraft: C-27A or G.222 as operated by the Afghans, etc., and C-27J as operated by Greece, the US, and others.
First I did not admitt anything, I've just mentioned the fact that 6 out of 8 C-27J of the Greek Air Force are grounded due to lack of parts as reported by the Greek media in various instances as part of a discussion about Alenia and the recommendation of the IAF and IMOD to acquire the M-346 and you replied by saying that it's not true and gave the example of the C-27 in Afghanistan as operating with no problems. Well, again, the media does not agree with you...the WSJ reported the same problem that the Greek media reported...I'm not concerned about the C-27 models, I'm just arguing that this a pattern: aircraft are sold, promisses are made, contracts are signed and aircraft are not operative for lack of parts! Dis you read the WJS item at all?!Originally Posted by Steak-Sauce
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304065704577424411417912118.html>
Maybe you should get your facts straight before throwing a hissy fit against Alenia.
Then again, I didn't participate in the old discussion about Alenia and C-27A/J maintenance. You said however, and I quote you from this thread:
easyand2 was the member who said that C-27J operated successfully in Afghanistan without any problems. The thing is, you haven't realized that easyand2 was referring to Italian C-27J, whereas your WSJ article mentions Afghan C-27A (G.222).
Another problem: You think it's a "pattern", I wonder why it's so far only a concern for two countries, one of which is deeply involved in a financial crisis, and not other customers of Alenia's C-27A and/or C-27J. Moreover you didn't name or linked to your Greek media source(s). Why? I know there is a Greek source (defencegreece.com) saying just one Spartan is operational, but I don't know if this site is even respected by our fellow Greek members on this board. I remember one Greek defense website was more or less the Greek version of debka.
And yes, I've read the article. It states the following:
and:Since then, some work performed by a maintenance subcontractor hired by Alenia "did not meet contract specifications," [...]
Who is ultimately responsible for the problems that required the grounding of the fleet is unclear. The Defense Department's inspector general is preparing a report card that will look at the C-27A procurement as part of an assessment of the progress of training and equipping the Afghan air force.
Please look up the following items in the Greek media: Hellenic Defense & technology, September 2011 issue, Paron Magazine, July 2011 issue and Pontiki, July 2011 issue that specifically deal with the Greek Air Force problems with the C-27J supplied by Alenia and the offset committed by the Italian government, with all due respect...the WSJ is clear: the C-27 fleet in Afghanistan is in trouble!!
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Until April, a unit of L-3 Communications Holdings Inc. LLL -0.72% carried out ground support and maintenance work. The company said the subsidiary, L-3 Systems Field Support, "performed maintenance and sustainment work as outlined in the contract."
L3 is a US company not owned or partly owned by Alenia
Why you stick to details?! The fact is the the aircraft is not oerative!!
ok, but it's not Alenia fault, the maintenance was not performed by Alenia but L3, a US Company.
if the work alenia does in support of the afghan c-27 is so bad why have the recieved a further support support contract? (http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...an-g_222s.html)
is it simply possibile that the support package included in the original order has expired and a further contract had only to be awarded and thus there has been a lapse in spare deliveries between the old contract and the award of the new one?
Guys, let's face it, the planes don't fly because they need spare parts! Who:s supposed to supply them?!!
No contract, no spare parts. Not even your WSJ article can say who's responsible for the current situation of the Afghan C-27A. Quite a few air forces around the world fly C-27A/J and it boggles my mind how they even dare to have enough spare parts to keep their aircraft operational if Alenia is sooo bad at supplying them.
PS: You seem desperate to blame Alenia for the current situations in Greece and Afghanistan concerning the aircrafts' operationability. Why?
This discussion looks a little childish...
C27J Spartans in Lithuanian Air Force are fully operational.
I have no experience with military aircraft but as for Alenia civil ATRs fleet a huge part of spares comes from third party suppliers and not ATR itself.
Here's an overview of the C-27A program for the ANAAF. There are a number of players mentioned in the contracts which might help you figure out who's responsible for what.
DID
Indeed childish...what are you guys, Alenia people or Italian government officials?! my first remark of this current discussion,
the item in the WSJ, was in related to one of you guys' remarks in one of the threads above that I've mentioned the grounded
C-27s in the GAF as an example of the problematic business conduct of Alenia in different countries, that the C-27 fleet in
Afghanistan is dandy, well it's not!! who's fault? look like you guy know better than I since you are probably much closer to
Alenia's business!!
That is really incredible!.
You open a new thread simply to continue to insinuate about Alenia aircrafts and moreover you have the courage to suggest who is replying you is an "Alenia people or Italian government officials? WOW astonishing
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