Another factor supporting your argument is the fate of Gaza and the WB during the period of 1949-1967.Originally Posted by EITAN88
Very true.
The Palestinian Arabs of 1948 didn't seem to be very interested in independence but rather prefered to become citizens of one of the neighbouring Arab states as indeed the differences between them were simply based on geographic location back then. Many Palestinian Arabs were barely two generations in the land west of the Jordan River (the majority immigrated from Syria during the British Mandate).
The Palestinian sense of 'nationhood' and self determination came into being during the two decades following 1948. This was mostly due to the general Arab attitude toward them.
One of the biggest ironies of the 20th century if you ask me
Another factor supporting your argument is the fate of Gaza and the WB during the period of 1949-1967.
There were also many of Egyptian origin that immigrated to work in Palestine during the British mandate.
Following 1948 War, the Arabs states not only refused rehabilitation of the Palestinians refugees, but also removed the citizenship of their own nationals who have lived in Palestine for over two years and made them "Palestinian refugees".
True.
Convineintly enough the issue of a Palestunian state never took center stage until the Camp David Accords 11 years after Israel captured these territories. And this is probably because Sadat knew better than to take back the Gaza Strip... more irony.
Butthurt comments? Ha Ha the whole Israeli brigade is having an hissy fit because the UNRWA is still active some 60+ year after its setup. A clear sign that Israel will not obtain a meaningful pece without adressing that issue. And I am the one throwing butthurt comments?The idea that a de facto `refugee` could become the Prime Minister of the UK is interesting and rather ridiculous.
Did I claim that emancipation worked all over the world?
It certainly isn't up to countries that succeded at emancipation to grant asylum to Jews from countries that failed at doing so.
This is the reason Israel must exist and it is quite easy to understand.
As for "taking a loss like a man" I'm not the one failing to make logical points and resorting to butthurt comments.
Have a nice day.
I know for most of you International Legality is not kosher, yet you cant do much about it. Under that light and given the international recognition Palestinian refugees have, I fail to see your general point.
Disraeli despite being a convert was targeted openly as Jew. How much for emancipation? Now actually your point does not add up. If Emancipation was such a hit, why the Zionist movement?
On a side note, one can even derive from that the fact that legally the Palestinian Refugees and displaced are even less ****e to thrive given the various limitations they suffer in their host countries.
Pointing out that UNRWA's existence is a farce through basic logic and historic reference is hardly a "hissy fit".
If you believe that the Palestinian "Refugee Problem" is actually at the heart of the Arab-Israeli conflict then prehaps there trully is no chance of you reaching an understanding of the situation at hand.
The majority of Israelis are content with the status quo while the Americans seem tired of supporting Palestinian charity.
My point is that after 60+ years the Palestinians and their Arab bretheren will continue to languish in the self created state of pitty and self-rightousness probably until a point where one or both will have to consider a change.I know for most of you International Legality is not kosher, yet you cant do much about it. Under that light and given the international recognition Palestinian refugees have, I fail to see your general point.
To expect total lack of racism in any society is silly to say the least.Disraeli despite being a convert was targeted openly as Jew. How much for emancipation? Now actually your point does not add up. If Emancipation was such a hit, why the Zionist movement?
I already explained why there were both succesful Emancipation Movements and Zionist Movements during the 20th century. The fact that you chose to ignore my points while repeating the same questions over and over doesn't serve to bring your argument across.
That`s why the world should work to lift such limitations as a pose to nurturing them through an organization such UNRWA.On a side note, one can even derive from that the fact that legally the Palestinian Refugees and displaced are even less ****e to thrive given the various limitations they suffer in their host countries.
Look at my post, there is a difference between them and us, comparations are not possible.
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Almost 25 000 local employees in a "country" with soaring high unemployment rates. According to my Palestinian friends the UNRWA jobs are sought after, but you usually have to "know somebody, or pay somebody".
Btw, diaspora and refugee aren't always the same thing you know..
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25,000 employees are a big pressure group for keeping the issue unsolved, because no refugees will mean no jobs. That's how pecuniary and policy make good friends.
I think that is part of the reason to maintain the perpetual refugee status. I think if it was not for outside involvement, this issue would have been resolved long ago with both Israelis and Palestinians living in relative peace.
Comparisons, law wise are almost carbon copy. The main difference is that Jews have a two millenia open account with Europe and Asia. Palestinians, roughly 40.
EITAN88: Expecting total lack of racism, well racism...in the House of Commons, towards the PM? Do you really think when you type such stuff.
Ozzy: 25K staff in one country? Where? There are 15K in West Bank and Gaza for about 2 million recipients (1 UNRWA staff for 133 persons- compare that with Germany that is at 5 public servants for 100 people - lowest in Europe) The overall Staff numbers are at 30K for 5 mio recipients (1UNRWA/166 recipients).
The staff is, by essence sought after and fairly apolitical given their incessant encroachments with Hamas thugs in the Gaza strip. Add to that a propension of Syrian staff to be hand picked by the Syrians, that makes at least 3000 folks that is if anything not very fond of the OLP.
No the difference is that we didn't have Jewish countries, the Arabs do, plenty of them, even Palestinians countries too. Its not a matter of time, we are a people, them too, but there are Arabs, not Palestinians, Palestinians were artificially made. The are not real bonds. Arabs are fratricidal, we are not.
My bad, almost 25 000 Palestinain employees(maybe more), obviously not all of them in Gaza/WB, but that's hardly relevant to the point I was making. Comparing UNRWA to public servants in a highly developed Western country is just....stupid.
So because Montenegrins have plenty of Slav countries in the region, they should not have Crna Gora? What is this now? Now as for artificially made, maybe you should tell that to Albanian Kosovars or FYROMers/Macedonians...
There are no real bonds? Yet Arabs are fratricidal? Oversimplification much?
Why?
In developped nations, public servants can be/are replaced by private services, in under-developped nations Public/NGO service is a matter of survival. I wonder sometimes if you really think this through.
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