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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaito View Post
    what was the election turnout?
    Last time I checked the exile government wasn't recognized internationally.
    I could claim I'm the king of eurasia, but it wouldn't be true untill all involved parties play along and recognize me and it wouldn't be democratic.
    About 60 % of the 90,000 registered Tibetans in exile.

    PS: Go ahead and stand in the elections for the king of Eurasia. I am sure the votes of my extended family alone would outvote your entire nation

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinblade View Post
    About 60 % of the 90,000 registered Tibetans in exile.
    Then they can go ahead and continue runing their governmental business in exile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexMartin2 View Post
    And people conveniently forget that Tibet before Chinese was state with slavery, with hundreds of thousands peasants enslaved by Lhasa religious government and monasteries.
    Basically Chinese occupation should be praised as bringing totalitarian state to democracy


    Really?

    Tibetans are the first to tell you that their old caste system wasnt that good. But it was still better than the genocide and real slavery that Mao and the CCP put Tibet through. Especially if one looks at all the reforms and modernization that the DL was implementing before Chinas rape and pillage started.

    But then i personally know scores of and interact almost daily with said people. So my opinion might differ from the CCP version of things.

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    Dalai Lama shoul say that being human candle is stupid and not OK... But maybe he does not care...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry's Fork View Post

    But then i personally know scores of and interact almost daily with said people. So my opinion might differ from the CCP version of things.
    Maybe you should interact a bit with Chinese for a less lopsided view on this matter.
    I've gotten to know my share of refugees from different countries - they tend to have a grudge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaito View Post
    Maybe you should interact a bit with Chinese for a less lopsided view on this matter.
    I've gotten to know my share of refugees from different countries - they tend to have a grudge.
    Actually the BAFT and TANC organizations here in California have Chinese members. Let alone all the Chinese that are met at rallies across the country.

    Guess what? For the most part, they see eye to eye with the Tibetans.

    Very humbling to see someone appologise for something they did not do personally.

    Welcome to California. We have EVERY refugee under the sun here. And unlike a good amount of them, the Tibetans actually have something to hold a grudge about. So why discount them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    Because it the way how it normally works? Countries get conquered. And as they usually have no chance to break away in 5-10 years after being conquered but usually have to wait several hundreds years, it usually good idea to integrate, so in this time they would have good life instead of repressions.
    So you freely admit that Tibet was conquered by Communist China, why should they "integrate" they have a right to self-determination, they do not, nor have they ever seen themselves as a "Province of China."
    Tibetans have a "good life" under Chinese occupation Ha! Ha! (maybe their Tibetan Communist lackey's,)
    you really are dumber than a bag of hammers if you believe that crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Ranger View Post
    So you freely admit that Tibet was conquered by Communist China, why should they "integrate" they have a right to self-determination, they do not, nor have they ever seen themselves as a "Province of China."
    Tibetans have a "good life" under Chinese occupation Ha! Ha! (maybe their Tibetan Communist lackey's,)
    you really are dumber than a bag of hammers if you believe that crap.

    Connaught Ranger.
    Name a country in the world that wasnt created by conquering others. By your logic we should have insurgency in most countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    By your logic we should have insurgency in most countries.
    No, by logic, any country today, that treats a group of people, like China does the Tibetans, Muslims, etc, shouldnt be surprised one iota that an insurgency could happen.

    Good thing for China though, Tibetans are killing themselves, rather than killing the tyrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    Name a country in the world that wasnt created by conquering others. By your logic we should have insurgency in most countries.
    You really are dumber than a bag of hammers, by your "logic" we should have peacefully accepted our Nazi Overlords in Europe, and our Japanese Overlords in Asia.

    The world has turned quite a bit since then, you seemed to be living under a stone somewhere if you don't
    realise that Communist model dictatorships are on the way out.

    If you are so fond of Chi-Com style life why not go and live there or in North Korea?

    Connaught Ranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Ranger View Post
    You really are dumber than a bag of hammers, by your "logic" we should have peacefully accepted our Nazi Overlords in Europe, and our Japanese Overlords in Asia.

    The world has turned quite a bit since then, you seemed to be living under a stone somewhere if you don't
    realise that Communist model dictatorships are on the way out.

    If you are so fond of Chi-Com style life why not go and live there or in North Korea?

    Connaught Ranger.
    You know that your former country used to be an Empire? Not exactly the best one to teach other about this topic.

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    And you know that your former country used to be the Soviet Union? You're certainly the last one to tell others to shut up and integrate as a "province".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    You know that your former country used to be an Empire? Not exactly the best one to teach other about this topic.
    Wow, you really are getting desperate. You're running out of good arguments, not that any of your arguments have actually been -good-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    You know that your former country used to be an Empire? Not exactly the best one to teach other about this topic.
    Thats the point....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steak-Sauce View Post
    And you know that your former country used to be the Soviet Union? You're certainly the last one to tell others to shut up and integrate as a "province".
    My former country used to by Russian former USSR former Russian Empire. And that exactly why i understand what i am talking about. Russia is what it is today because it did conquer it territories. They belong to it and nobody else. Same goes for China. And rest of the world. It just that Russia and China did conquer territories around them fully integrating them into themselves. European powers didnt had such luxury, so they had to conquer countries on other continents and therefore had troubles controlling them, which lead to them losing most, but not all of their foreign territories. So it easy for ones with small territory to talk about this topic, as they dont have anything to lose anymore anyway.

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