Euro 2012 Stadiums of Hate. BBC Documentary

[Ozzy[NO]]

Nice, it seems you know now how it feels to see biased video about your own country. Whole point is that documentary like this one by BBC can be made about every single country, not only Poland. Since we have internet we dont even need fancy investigators flying to for example Britain:
Few more videos like that, journalist with sad voice and deply concerned face and we can prove anything, no matter its true or false.

If memory serves me right that woman got a jail sentence, what kind of punishment can those racist hooligans of yours expect? You really think the BBC has never made documentaries about racism, hooliganism and all sort of crap in Britain?

I've been over this numerous times now, and some of you doesn't seem to get it; there are racists everywhere, in every country, in every culture, the difference is how they're being dealt with.

[KoTeMoRe]

And how are they being dealt with in Britain that differs from Poland or Ukraine?

The issue here is not racism. It is baseline sensationalism and apparently the fact that we cannot ask from British taxpayers to keep the tab on their own public broadcasting channel. Because it is the new era fatalism and ****.

[hastati]

This video makes bad smell but doesn't answer very important questions:

Is racism more widespreaded in for example Poland than in other European countries? You cannot judge it by this video because we already figured out that we can make exactly the same documentary about every other country. So tell me all this fears about racism or "going to home in coffin" are based on what?

About dealing with racist incidents here is example(link in Polish):

http://www.kibice.net/news/3359_Stad...zamkniety.html

Forbidden pirotechnic devices + racist insults = stadium closed till the end of the season. Thats not single case, theory about Police or Polish Football Association ignoance is simply untrue.

Yet more google-fu from a bunch of idiots who have gotten all upset about a targeted documentary about something that is actually topical. They may have overblown it because.... take a deep breath now.... that is what the media does.

Why not just grow up and accept it as a reality of the media age.

So first you call this thing "topical" and then you say its "overblown". Hmmm...

[Ozzy[NO]]

And how are they being dealt with in Britain that differs from Poland or Ukraine?

I'm not even going to answer that question.

The issue here is not racism. It is baseline sensationalism and apparently the fact that we cannot ask from British taxpayers to keep the tab on their own public broadcasting channel. Because it is the new era fatalism and ****.

Yeah, ofcourse. Not an issue, move along. See no evil, hear no evil. Yadayada.
You can choose to completly ignore everything the BBC reporter says, and just watch the video and it will still look like ****, especially in regards to Ukraine. In Poland they seem to take this more seriously.

[happyslapper]

And how are they being dealt with in Britain that differs from Poland or Ukraine?

The issue here is not racism. It is baseline sensationalism and apparently the fact that we cannot ask from British taxpayers to keep the tab on their own public broadcasting channel. Because it is the new era fatalism and ****.

The BBC is subject to UK regulations and British license payers, not to Ukrainians and Poles who don't like what they see (which they aren't paying for, and is only brought to their attention by the rage machine).

There used to be a big problem with racism and general violence at British (especially English) football events. There was a massive crackdown by the FA, the Police, and by various clubs. To put it in perspective, you would be extremely unlikely to see the sort of scenes in the Panorama documentary in a present-day match in the UK. Its been said many times already in this thread; that is not to say that bad things don't happen, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BBC will be there to report it, just as they were in the bad old days.

[happyslapper]

So first you call this thing "topical" and then you say its "overblown". Hmmm...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/topical?s=t

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/overblown?s=t

Does that help you?

[KoTeMoRe]

The BBC is subject to UK regulations and British license payers, not to Ukrainians and Poles who don't like what they see (which they aren't paying for, and is only brought to their attention by the rage machine).

There used to be a big problem with racism and general violence at British (especially English) football events. There was a massive crackdown by the FA, the Police, and by various clubs. To put it in perspective, you would be extremely unlikely to see the sort of scenes in the Panorama documentary in a present-day match in the UK. Its been said many times already in this thread; that is not to say that bad things don't happen, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the BBC will be there to report it, just as they were in the bad old days.

As said it seems hopeless.

I asked before what is the methodology for this doco? What is the goal? Is it violence in Polish stadiums? Racism in Ukrainian stadiums? The inherent risk both racism situations pose for the Euro 2012?

I would love to have you just by my side and dismantle piece by piece the overall bull**** processes they use. Like Emo Com. Put a video of any kind. Bring up a man with a different phenotype and make him comment. They do that for roughly 3 minutes. And we are told this is a common occurrence. Now the problem is that, a common occurrence like that WOULD trigger a response from the security. Because when there are no Asians around dumb gopniks will have it at each other.

In a country which supposedly has a strong milicja related violence, it being a corrupt and a borderline police state, how is it possible that the violence spreads so easily in the Stadiums. Maybe there is a specific issue. Like this was a Derby or what ever. But no the game at hand
is presented as business as usual.

I mean FFS they even put a crappy Platini picture just to make the Frenchie look bad. This is textbook visual manipulation.

So what I am telling you now, is, what evidence do you HAVE that this doco is representative of the racial situation in Ukraine and Poland. Let me tell you...NONE. And you are not asking for any of that **** anyway.

Ozzy: I cannot ignore what the reporter says because I do not know how he bolted together his doco. No rushes, no cross checking no nothing. But a lot of emotional baits.

[happyslapper]

Fella, it's a TV programme. They want ratings.

If you don't like it then switch over. There were a thousand other shows being broadcast that night, most of them were bollocks, so people switched to something else. Is it really worth getting so worked up over?

[KoTeMoRe]

Fella, it's a TV programme. They want ratings.

If you don't like it then switch over. There were a thousand other shows being broadcast that night, most of them were bollocks, so people switched to something else. Is it really worth getting so worked up over?

It is not any TV programme, it is a documentary. I fear that the complete lack of ethics from the Panorama crew, despite not being uncommon, is not limited to a relatively minor and distant subject as Polish and Ukrainian Hooliganism and Racism. God forbid next time we find out about the Iranian Nuclear Program. That would make Riefenstahl proud.

[mathyou8]

why they are racist?

[Musashi]

Answer for the documentary

[KoTeMoRe]

That was low...

[Musashi]

That was low...

As low as the BBC video. That was the point.

[Steak-Sauce]

As low as the BBC video. That was the point.

A rather poor attempt at saving face.

[KoTeMoRe]

As low as the BBC video. That was the point.

I fully understand that. On a flip side, that was actually funny as well.

Steak Sauce: Saving face?