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    Quote Originally Posted by Macs. View Post
    What a utter retarded brainfart.

    First of all "6 or 7" is a age that's obviously not suited to confront children so they actually really understand what's going on. "Shocking" someone to make a point is very weak and not really a teaching approche.
    Wellthis very technique is used to prevent road accident in France. You've never seen those commercials from the government with graphic fatal road accidents on TV? Pretty shocking! But it works too. I think it's worth the shot.

    6 or 7 is an age when things get stuck in the brain, like forever. So it's quite obvious one would try to teach young generations when they are still able to remember!

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    Go ahead, what vital lessons did you learn when you were 6 or 7 years old and can remember today?
    Last edited by Steak-Sauce; 06-05-2012 at 01:03 PM. Reason: clarified the question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steak-Sauce View Post
    Go ahead, what vital lessons did you learn when you were 6 or 7 years old and can remember today?
    I remember the aliens in my backyard and the Germans doing a very good Euro 1992 but somehow Danemark managed to screw them in final. It taught me how we can win against all odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chimera View Post
    I remember the aliens in my backyard and the Germans doing a very good Euro 1992 but somehow Denmark managed to screw them in final.
    A very good year for Danish football

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    Chimera, what I want you to realize is that kids, who are 6 or 7 years old, fail to see the difference between physical and psychic violence in their beloved TV series and cartoons. It's just plain irresponsible to expect them to understand something like the Holocaust, or even to remember anything meaningful of their visit to a KZ in their later years.

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    I think this article is interesting to this debate about identity and the state of the issue.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...238595,00.html

    n a book published in 1946 on the “Jewish question,” French philosopher Jean Paul Sartre concluded that the non-Jewish world largely determines “Who is a Jew.” He wrote that it was not God who had turned people into Jews. It was rather non-Jewish society which made people into Jews and thus created “the Jewish problem.”

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    At the end of the day, after all your crying and moaning the Germans have it good.
    After all, I am the one that is a 3rd generation, does not have any close relatives because my grandparents' brothers and sisters perished, both of my grandfathers died at a young age and I didn't meet them and the one grandmother that is alive was and is clearly effected by the atrocities she experienced.
    You don't have to live daily with what your parents did while I do, so stop acting like a robbed Cossack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redox View Post
    Thats a very personal thing to decide how you feel about nationality, patriotism etc.
    But it is very true what Muck said, if you feel proud about the positve aspects of your country, then you should also feel ashamed about the negative ones.
    On the other hand, if nationality has no deeper meaning to you (as with many leftists) you should not do either.
    I am a little left (it's possible to be a little left unlike the gay thing) and while I might be happy about current events favouring my country I have learnt to dissociate myself to an extent.
    This is an individual choice and reflects my negative view of how state agencies, media, regulators all failed in their duty of care to citizens while a few got rich. As already mentioned it includes my disdain for the IRA campaign - nationalists, according to them.
    MOST people didn't care what was happening to the country. As long as they are ok they don't care what the cost to democracy and state is. treason basically. This is typical patriot for me, draping themselves in a flag while they fvck the nation. In simplistic terms in Germany's case something similar happened. Powerful individuals altered the direction of the nation and the sheeple went with it. The ability of a few individuals to drasticly alter the shape of a nation gives some lie to the monolithic view of a nation state. Similarly look at YU, they were all taught brotherhood and unity, and it counted for nothing when powerful people with an agenda start moving.
    National pride is something you feel quietly, not something to shout about like football hooligans.

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