Holocaust contrition 'too much for new generation'

[Climber]

In Germany, you have four kinds of people who're on bad terms with Israel and the Jews (in that order): Leftists, Muslims and Nazis. The largest group however is composed of ordinary Germans who - no offense meant, my fellow Teutonic members - just don't want to be remembered. They're sick of being portrayed as evil and being beaten with the "Nazi cudgel". I can't remember anymore who fathered this quote, but it's dead-on... After the Holocaust, the Germans will hate the Jews for what they did to them.

I know. I am not the kind that want your country to atone for the eternity for evil past, I am the kind who cant accept people who do not want to remember. The best way to deal with the past, is accepting it with full conscience.

[Climber]

Btw Muck, your avatar, it wont work. I tried and failed, many times.

[tluassa]

So, if a generation dont feel anything from what happened a generation before, then there is no history possible. There are no obligations, no borders, no culture, no tradition, no morality.

you, Germans, as individuals, you shouldn't feel any guilt because you as individuals, you didn't do anything, but as a country and a culture, you carry a burden whatever you want it or not.

If you think that way, then you have not have learned anything from your past.

It is already 4 generations between the War and today. Unless you want to count in People like the Pope who did not actually get to invade foreign countries but fight a survival battle. Germany carries the burden, we are not like other's who do not stand to our actions or are in a constant denial mode about the past. I'm actually proud to have worked on some exibitions scanning documents from archives so that future generations can read original documents about the Holocaust and how it happened online. The original documents, with comments and annotations to understand the grand picture.

[KoTeMoRe]

You know, German state has no feelings, it cant feel guilt. The guilt that might be involved is felt by individual Germans.

Yet it offered Apologies for the Holocaust.

Have a look at the German Penal Code. See the entries regarding Nazism and Antisemitism. The German state shows intrinsic guilt. Just like any other institution.

[Climber]

It is already 4 generations between the War and today. Unless you want to count in People like the Pope who did not actually get to invade foreign countries but fight a survival battle. Germany carries the burden, we are not like other's who do not stand to our actions or are in a constant denial mode about the past. I'm actually proud to have worked on some exibitions scanning documents from archives so that future generations can read original documents about the Holocaust and how it happened online. The original documents, with comments and annotations to understand the grand picture.

I didn't say you tluassa, I said your country, your culture. Ive been there, and as muck said, most of the people is bothered by a fact, Israel existence is a every second memory of their culture sins. I know is not easy for you, didn't said otherwise.

[Laworkerbee]

I think the OG poster highlighted the wrong line.

Gauck's comments came as he visited Palestinian President Mahmud Abbas in Ramallah. Gauck promised Abbas that Germany would continue to provide financial aid to the Palestinians – currently amounting to €70 million a year – as long as there was no solution to the Mideast conflict.

Peace = No more money

[muck]

I didn't say you tluassa, I said your country, your culture. Ive been there, and as muck said, most of the people is bothered by a fact, Israel existence is a every second memory of their culture sins. I know is not easy for you, didn't said otherwise.

I didn't say "most of the people" but "some". The Germans are split into 50/50 when it comes to Israel which is hardly worse or better than any other nation. The problem is, this isn't good enough for Germany - seeing its past - and then the outer wing of the opponents is rather radical.

[Climber]

I didn't say "most of the people" but "some". The Germans are split into 50/50 when it comes to Israel which is hardly worse or better than any other nation. The problem is, this isn't good enough for Germany - seeing its past - and then the outer wing of the opponents is rather radical.

Sorry, some of the people, your are right.
I, personally, do not expect anything from Germany in special, I was appalled by the fact that some people was bothered by the fact i was Israeli and by option. I think some people was secretly wishing that Hitler had his job done.

[muck]

I think some people was secretly deserving that Hitler had his job done.

I'm not sure I understand?

[Climber]

I'm not sure I understand?

I was in Berlin and while discussing the ME conflict, I had the feeling that some people was thinking why Hitler didn't killed us already.

My bad I wrote deserving instead of wishing. Dont know why.......a freudian slip?

[johanness]

So, if a generation dont feel anything from what happened a generation before, then there is no history possible. There are no obligations, no borders, no culture, no tradition, no morality.

you, Germans, as individuals, you shouldn't feel any guilt because you as individuals, you didn't do anything, but as a country and a culture, you carry a burden whatever you want it or not.

If you think that way, then you have not have learned anything from your past.

Indeed it is a burden ...

Now we have to teach the people of the world how not to do it.

Sure you like the idea we teach you how to behave to palestinian people.

[Climber]

Indeed it is a burden ...

Now we have to teach the people of the world how not to do it.

Sure you like the idea we teach you how to behave to palestinian people.

Please enlightme

[muck]

I was in Berlin and while discussing the ME conflict, I had the feeling that some people was thinking why Hitler didn't killed us already.

My bad I wrote deserving instead of wishing. Dont know why.......a freudian slip?

No wonder then. Berlin is Germany's capital of asinine Leftism. These people - with other words, of course - see "the Jews" as the kingpins behind "the capital" and therefore responsible for the "exploitation of the small man", the destruction of the environment and every kind of war-mongering and heinous "profiteering" there is.

[Climber]

No wonder then. Berlin is Germany's capital of asinine Leftism. These people - with other words, of course - see "the Jews" as the kingpins behind "the capital" and therefore responsible for the "exploitation of the small man", the destruction of the environment and every kind of war-mongering and heinous "profiteering" there is.

Something like that.

[johanness]

Please enlightme

Climber, please tell me you don't want me to raise my children with the guilt of the Third Reich.

This is minim 2-4 generations away and for sure they are not in any way respponsible.