So there is no misunderstanding here. Are you trying to draw a parallel between Nazi Germany's Jewish policy and Israel's relationship with the Palestinians?Originally Posted by johanness
What I said is clear, you and your kids have no guilt, your country, your culture., yes, forever, It doesn't matter what I think or what I want as a Jew, Its how its good for you, the only way to atone is accepting the fact, nothing else.
I think the issue often is that some people on both sides of the line look at Israeli conflict as equating to simply Jews...
That is to say that those who look at Israel then just think automatically of Jews and treat Jews accordingly (This goes for Muslim-Left Wing extremists etc)
Likewise it goes the other way, where I think some Israelis take criticism of Israel to mean anti Jewish sentiment....
Unfortunately, both are true in circumstances, the important thing though is to try and not fall in that trap, which unfortunately frustrates many...
The problem for Jewish People is that Israel is THE jewish state, so whatever it does if bad reflects in many views upon Jews as a whole....
It would in manyways be no different I think if there was but one Islamic State, the actions we see as bad commited by said state would to many give Muslims as a whole a bad image...
Personally no Germans I know have bad views of Jews as a whole, though I know some are sometimes critical of Israel... That said I think that is often felt as a hypocritical thing or a failure to learn some of the same lessons.... Its probably also just a frustration thing..
when I was in Berlin disucssing the ME, I said to them Why we are not discussing Rwanda or Burma? no one answered me. The fact is that Rwanda or Burma have no juice in them.
To : GB_FXST
I was drawing a line from Germany what learned from the past to the situation in the near east now.
Not so difficult to get, I thought.
A line that is a little shaky.........
lets be frank.... There is a bias you could argue against Africa in that people don't expect much anything from Africa.... People lost hope in many ways about civilty and the capacity to behave in civilized manner long ago...
In addition you have questionable governments, whilst Israel is considered a democracy so I guess you could say a higher moral standard is expected (particulary from a people as educated as Israels)(Note also I am not saying that Israel acts immorally in this but that it is held to a higher level)..
Lastly who on earth knows whats going on in Rwanda or Burma? Half of People barely pay attention to them to have the slightest clue... I think while Israel having Jews in it may play a part it is very miniscule part overall...
Was ment for GB_FXST
That bias is racism, and I have the right to ask my country to the highest possible standards, others cant. Europeans less than others.
I know.....
Of course its racism but its reality and its also born out of frustration in that no one expects any better of them half the time or acts surprised....
Look at any number of threads on this forum to see that frustration/tiredness with say things going on in Africa or Arab Countries, people simply are not surprised nor is there necessarily a huge degree of respect or belief in their sensibility..
As for others not having a right to ask your country to uphold the highest possible standards, Granted if others do so they expose themselves to possible accusations of double standards but in this day and age it seems everyone has the right to hold any country to those standards, particulary when People whom are non citizens are sometimes dieing from the actions of said country(Which is not to say Israel acts horrifically but its debatable then if its actually an internal issue)
OK, so then you would like to explain what Germany had to do in your opinion?
People is so well feed and bored that becomes frustrated because other are walking the same road their fathers have gone? I mean they just have to take a look and read a history book......their "superiority" exasperate me.
The thing is the same as above.......they are lucky, they have the luxury of having morality, not all have the same luxury. Now, I dont really believe that no one have the right to criticize us, I dont actually believe in that, But the fact that they criticize us more than anyone is not a double standard, is a double racism, to the poor Arabs because they are rustic, and us? what The same old bull?
Nothing. They have not to make anything special. But before criticizing others, you should take a big breath, then go to the books, learn why things happen, then think a long time about what and why things happened.
I consider myself a patriotic American and I'm a student of history, but I don't feel responsible for the enslavement of Africans or guilt over the use of nuclear weapons against Japan in 1945.
Are you Argentinian? If so, do you feel guilty about Juan Peron? The Falklands war in 1982?
mhm, so please take a deep breath yourself and learn about the history before 1933 ... then you can educate mankind about history since 10.000 years ago
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