NBC News: Walker emerges victorious in Wisconsin recall

[Laconian]

Nobody said it was easy. But I know bunches of folks (myself included) who have packed up their families and moved to where the work was or left their families to become geographic bachelors/bachelorettes because that where the job was.

[Parx400]

Bigger stor than this is the ballot measures in San Jose and San Diego to cut current pensions. Sj vot was 71% yes.

[Laconian]

Part of the problem, at least here, is that the economic time changes, private sector pay rises and falls with economy at a different rate that the public sector. Sometimes the private sector is ahead, sometimes it is behind. Also good planning can backfire. Long ago the Oregon Public employees took a lower pay scale, to compensate that the state gave a better retirement package. When the 2000 hit, retirement packages heavily scrutinized by some in the private sector. They seemed to ignore that fact that the public employees took a lower wage so they would have the retirement package that they got. The better long term planning of the public employee was then used against them. Sadly private sector, in most cases, employees went for better salaries over retirement packages. That seems the way to go when a person is young and looking at short term goals. In the long run, that backfired on the private sector. Instead of admitting to the mistake in planning, the public sector was blamed and some of our politicians played it up for personal gain.

The wages and employment packages for both public and private should not be too distant from each other. Problem I have is often when something goes political, the misrepresentations come into play.

I agree, H. I have seen this as well. I think there should be some flexibility built in to public sector salaries so that they can be less of a political football.

[J.Noah ה]

Nobody said it was easy. But I know bunches of folks (myself included) who have packed up their families and moved to where the work was or left their families to become geographic bachelors/bachelorettes because that where the job was.

Some folks can. But families with disabilities ( Medical an special needs) Can't pick up and leave but can't stay since they don't hire them. We all different circumstances, ya know?

[tokengator]

Everyone is different, but you don't govern based on the lowest common denominator

[J.Noah ה]

Everyone is different, but you don't govern based on the lowest common denominator

True tokengator.. However, the median common denominator is not the list of salaries you presented to me in the forum. A broad range is 30k-60k is median, not 80k or higher.

[Euroamerican]

Your not even an American. STFU

Ah.... Come on... Everyone can join in... He's got an interesting point. Most German companies have a union/employee rep on their corporate board.... Sounds like a good idea to me.

[tokengator]

True tokengator.. However, the median common denominator is not the list of salaries you presented to me in the forum. A broad range is 30k-60k is median, not 80k or higher.

you are misrepresenting our conversation.

I was absolutely correct about the "professor" salaries...

I also provided some "teacher" salary AND BENEFIT averages for various counties in Wisconsin. It was not really relevant to our discussion since it was centered on college professors, but it did show that there are plenty teachers and areas in wisconsin where they are well compensated.

I don't know what you want. Not every entry level position in the United States is the same. Not all salaries are the same. It's part of life. Someone complaining about their entry level pay as a 1st year professor...a well paying profession.... does not garner any sympathy from me and, frankly, is a horrible example.

If anything it is just another example of the current occupy generation expecting 100K+ entry level jobs.

[J.Noah ה]

you are misrepresenting our conversation.

I was absolutely correct about the "professor" salaries...

I also provided some "teacher" salary AND BENEFIT averages for various counties in Wisconsin. It was not really relevant to our discussion since it was centered on college professors, but it did show that there are plenty teachers and areas in wisconsin where they are well compensated.

I don't know what you want. Not every entry level position in the United States is the same. Not all salaries are the same. It's part of life. Someone complaining about their entry level pay as a 1st year professor...a well paying profession.... does not garner any sympathy from me and, frankly, is a horrible example.

Im not sure how Wisconsin became the miracle state for state compensation, but small town teachers with a subway and gas station ( examples you provided) are not being paid 80k plus to teach a class of 150 students. Milwaukee school system one of the worst in the country, are not paying their public teachers 80k or plus. And college professors you debunked tell me that Green Bay police starting salary is more than a new professor, so apparently they get very higher salary increases every year in contradiction to Walker's education cuts.

Well its sympathy or not, Very good professors are leaving Wisconsin because of him, so thats another notch added to Walker's belt.

[tokengator]

why do you keep making stuff up?

Starting salary for GB police officer - ~35K

The MINIMUM for any professor at UWGB - assistant, associate, full, - was 44K

Not a single UWGB professor - assistant, associate, or full - made less than $44,590. Entry/1st year or not

which is right around the national average

[tokengator]

Table 5. National Salary Comparisons by Rank, 2010-11

Rank	UW-Green Bay Mean	National Mean (1)	Gap between National and UWGB	National Non-doctoral Mean (2)	Gap between National Non-Doctoral and UWGB Mean
Assistant	$55,171	$59,956	$4,785 (8%)	$55,502	$331 (1%)
Associate	$57,434	$68,066	$10,632 (16%)	$63,301	$5,867 (9%)
Full	$73,112	$85,800	$12,688 (15%)	$72,072	-$1,040 (-1%)
All	$59,541	$68,604	$9,150 (13%)	$60,372	$831 (1%)

(1) These “national” averages are based on what the average salaries at each rank would be if each individual at UW-Green Bay was paid the average salary for his or her rank and field according to the CUPA survey.
(2) These “National non-doctoral” averages are based on a methodology that assumes faculty at non-doctoral schools will earn a proportion of the amount that includes the doctoral schools, as described in the text.

[Hollis]

Tokengator, other contributing factor is also the discipline. Such as medical schools, legal schools and high tech disciplines, where the school compete with the private sector for professors, the salaries are higher than other professors. So sometimes the title of professor is not necessary linked to a specific salary range.

[C.Puffs]

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Good for Germany perhaps.

[Hollis]

why do you keep making stuff up?

Starting salary for GB police officer - ~35K

The MINIMUM for any professor at UWGB - assistant, associate, full, - was 44K

Not a single UWGB professor - assistant, associate, or full - made less than $44,590. Entry/1st year or not

which is right around the national average

Also look at the education factor, A professor has a PhD. Associate could be a Masters or PhD. Teachers have at least a Bachelors, LEO's can very, with as little as a High School diploma.

[tokengator]

Also look at the education factor, A professor has a PhD. Associate could be a Masters or PhD. Teachers have at least a Bachelors, LEO's can very, with as little as a High School diploma.

not really the point. This goes back to previous discussion where J.Noah said 1st year professors at UWGB are making 30K and leaving because, apparently, they are not making enough as entry level professors.

Of course there are many factors that come into play for why a professor makes a certain amount...however, none of this changes that NO PROFESSOR at UWGB was making less than 44K