Greece's 'Führer' wants Istanbul back

[Rastagir]

And what are the ethnic make up of the immigrants you are referring to?
I have never been to Athens but i have heard its nothing like the second city of Greece , Thessaloniki. They say some bad neighborhoods exist down there.

Pakistanis, Afghans and Syrians mostly.


However, this is a second wave of immigrants, the first being when the Soviet Block collapsed and Greece was once again a favorable destination (mainly Albanians).

[Vorian]

And what are the ethnic make up of the immigrants you are referring to?
I have never been to Athens but i have heard its nothing like the second city of Greece , Thessaloniki. They say some bad neighborhoods exist down there.

Pretty much any country of Eastern Africa and Asia. Mainly Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh though. Syrians too.

[iloxos]

Oh Greece coming back to the true Balkan roots. I propose a new state Balkania!!

trolling....

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People nut cases exist all around the world.

greeks have to suffer a lot of bad criticism PLUS we have to be laughed upon when idiots think they are going to be the next napoleon...

please please please stop it. we are too tired even to joke about it... another 14 hour workshift today...

kids (greeks and turks) relax. don't wish for wars you 'll find your self mixed into.

[LineDoggie]

Maybe you should do a little research, or at least common sense will tell you that a strong land army nowadays is not nearly enough to win wars...sure Turkey's army is huge, especially near the Greek border, and they have many modernisation programs, including the 1000 new Altay tanks, but the first tanks will be ready until after 2016, meaning that the Greek armored division in Kavala is still the most powerful equipped and trained armored unit in the region (especially if Greece reiceives the 400 M1 Abrams offered by the US).

Dream on about those 400 Abrams tanks. USA would rather make them into artificial reefs than be used against a NATO ally by another NATO ally.

[iloxos]

Dream on about those 400 Abrams tanks. USA would rather make them into artificial reefs than be used against a NATO ally by another NATO ally.

Sorry mate but USA armed greece and turkey in 1991- (after cw) with vast armaments (tanks, frigates, planes). Both countries never had an enemy then except them and in 1996 they almost had a war - USA stopped it.
Nato vs Nato is something USA doesn't want, but profits a LOT from it. Even NOW with turkish planes doing fly overs and turkish ships doing cruises outside athens USA keeps very very quiet. Its a nice plan that keeps a lot of workers in lockheed, boeing etc in work.

[LineDoggie]

Sorry mate but USA armed greece and turkey in 1991- (after cw) with vast armaments (tanks, frigates, planes). Both countries never had an enemy then except them and in 1996 they almost had a war - USA stopped it.
Nato vs Nato is something USA doesn't want, but profits a LOT from it. Even NOW with turkish planes doing fly overs and turkish ships doing cruises outside athens USA keeps very very quiet. Its a nice plan that keeps a lot of workers in lockheed, boeing etc in work.

Betcha they dont do it now. the Fish will see those tanks before Greece does.

[mokokko]

Maybe you should do a little research, or at least common sense will tell you that a strong land army nowadays is not nearly enough to win wars...sure Turkey's army is huge, especially near the Greek border, and they have many modernisation programs, including the 1000 new Altay tanks, but the first tanks will be ready until after 2016, meaning that the Greek armored division in Kavala is still the most powerful equipped and trained armored unit in the region (especially if Greece reiceives the 400 M1 Abrams offered by the US). Now let's look at the most important factor in modern warfare, which is airpower:

Advantages of Turkish airforce:
1. Numerical superiority of 218 F16s to Greece's 157 F16s.
2. F-35 modernisation program (none of which have been recieved yet)

Advantages of Hellenic Air Force + air defence
1. Having Mirage 20005 Mk2, which the Turks find especially difficult to encounter, and can carry SCALP EG cruise missiles
2. Greek warplanes have the capability of hitting whatever the conditions and at night, wheareas the vast majority of the Turkish fighters do not have this capability
3. Greece has both the S300 and Patriot advanced AA systems. Turkey has neither.
4. Despite the lack of real combat experience, Greek pilots are known to be among the best in the world, proven by their performance against US fighters in Red Flag 2008 and more recently when two Greek pilots where voted the best pilots in NATO

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Your info some wrong and missing points. Let me correct them.

Advantages of Turkish airforce:
1. Numerical superiority of 218 F16s to Greece's 157 F16s.
2. SLAM-ER Cruise Missiles
3. POPEYE Missiles
4. Long Range Harpy Cruise Missiles (500km)
5. 185 F-16 BLK40/50 are under CCIP modernization. (BLOCK50+ ADV Level) Nearly number of a squadron was delivered.
6. Turkey has 7 Boeing KC-135 Stratotankers
7. Turkey has 472 fighter jets (Greece has 293) and all F-16 and F-4 jets have capability hitting at night and all weather.
8. F-35 program (none of which have been recieved yet)
9. Turkish pilots are known to be among the best in the world.


Advantages of Hellenic Air Force + air defence
1. Having Mirage 20005 Mk2, which the Turks find especially difficult to encounter, and can carry SCALP EG cruise missiles
2. Greece has both the S300 and Patriot advanced AA systems. Turkey has neither.
3. Despite the lack of real combat experience, Greek pilots are known to be among the best in the world, proven by their performance against US fighters in Red Flag 2008 and more recently when two Greek pilots where voted the best pilots in NATO

its always amusing to see war lords in MP.NET .

[iloxos]

Betcha they dont do it now. the Fish will see those tanks before Greece does.

why loose the upgrade to M1A2? Its 1bill$.

if the right wing parties win in the next weeks election we will see not only M1s but also used UH-60s, used MLRS, used Bradleys and used everything that USARMY/USMC has no use any more.

[IconOfEvi]

Come Mihaloliakos, let us reason together. It would be a regrettable waste. It would be nothing short of madness for you, brave king, and your valiant troops to perish. All because of a simple misunderstanding. There is much our cultures could share.

Yours is a fascinating tribe. Even now, you are defiant, in the face of annihilation and the presence of a god. It isn't wise to stand against me, Mihaloliakos. Imagine what horrible fate awaits my enemies when I would gladly kill any of my own men for victory.



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He DID come from Anatolia :o!

That said, I would rather be a slave to the Chaos Gods than worship the Corpse-Emperor for another second

Curse the Corpse-Emperor who cast our his loyalest sons

[JCR]

I propose a new state Balkania!!

I am against it
Balkania would always win Eurovision.

[muttbutt]

why loose the upgrade to M1A2? Its 1bill$.

if the right wing parties win in the next weeks election we will see not only M1s but also used UH-60s, used MLRS, used Bradleys and used everything that USARMY/USMC has no use any more.

All of which would spend their time parked.

[iloxos]

All of which would spend their time parked.

Parking is not bad. A "shield" was always the best part of greek hoplites the last 4,000 years.

You can also paint them, take pics of them, find a good site to post them and talk all about them without any danger of dying. nice idea eh

[muttbutt]

Parking is not bad. A "shield" was always the best part of greek hoplites the last 4,000 years.

You can also paint them, take pics of them, find a good site to post them and talk all about them without any danger of dying. nice idea eh

They still cost money to maintain.....Greece aint exactly flush with spare cash these days.

[Connaught Ranger]

why loose the upgrade to M1A2? Its 1bill$.

if the right wing parties win in the next weeks election we will see not only M1s but also used UH-60s, used MLRS, used Bradleys and used everything that USARMY/USMC has no use any more.

And just from where will the cash come from, to purchase these toys?

[valtrex]

And just from where will the cash come from, to purchase these toys?

...from Germany?