Reply With QuoteTurkey would have bitched about it anyway.
US excludes Israel from terror forum because of Turkey
Israel tried hard to obtain an invitation to the Global Counterterrorism Forum meeting, and its exclusion has greatly disappointed officials in Jerusalem.
10 June 12 13:23, Ran Dagoni, Washington
The US blocked Israel's participation in the Global Counterterrorism Forum's (GCTF) first meeting in Istanbul on Friday, even though Israel has one of the most extensive experiences in counterterrorism in the world. A pro-Israeli source in Washington told "Globes" that Israel was excluded from the meeting because of fierce objections by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Israel tried hard to obtain an invitation to the meeting, and its exclusion, despite the tight US-Israeli intelligence ties, has greatly disappointed officials in Jerusalem.
The GCTF, one of the pillars of President Barack Obama's antiterrorism campaign, was established in September 2011. The White House calls the forum as a wise use of force against terrorism, and chose Turkey as the forum's joint chair, together with the US.
29 countries are participating in the GCTF, ten of which are Arab and/or Muslim countries: Algeria, Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates. Other members include China, Russia, India, and Western European countries.
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A State Department spokesman replied, "Our idea with the GCTF was to bring together a limited number of traditional donors, front line states, and emerging powers develop a more robust, yet representative, counterterrorism capacity-building platform. A number of our close partners with considerable experience countering and preventing terrorism are not included among the GCTF’s founding members.
"We have discussed the GCTF and ways to involve Israel in its activities on a number of occasions, and are committed to making this happen."
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Pro-Israeli sources say that the Obama administration decided to ignore the fact that Turkey, which has a key role in the GCTF, opposes calling Hamas a terrorist organization, even though Hamas is included on the State Department's list of terrorist organizations. In an interview with the US media last May, Erdogan said that he did not consider Hamas a terrorist organization, but as a resistance movement trying to protect its country from occupation. He said that Hamas won elections in the Gaza Strip in 2006, and that, therefore, calling it a terrorist organization was an insult to the Palestinian people.
For its part, Turkey calls the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which is seeking to establish a Kurdish state in southeast Turkey and northern Iraq, as a terrorist organization, and the US supports this position.
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/glob...55761&fid=1725
Turkey would have bitched about it anyway.
Shouldn't Israel have been first on the list as invitees, seeing as how they are in the middle of fighting an insurgency in the Second Infinitada, on top of the fact that many of the COIN strategies, tactics, and technologies that Israel has developed have been adopted by the US and NATO?
Fvck Turkey, they shouldn't have been involved.
Algeria, Egypt, Jordan, and Russia have both done things to Muslim populations that make Israel seem saintly. Lol@Turkey's baby president who doesn't remember or understand history.
Obama needs to stop enabling Erdogan's tantrums in any regard.
Fvck you to, no need to generalize the entire country because of Erdogan.Originally Posted by Impartial Bias
edit: bloo Erdogan is Prime minister, not president!
Last edited by memoli; 06-10-2012 at 03:20 PM.
I don't think the conference has anything to do with actual counter-terrorism.
It's just another outlet for Obama's outreach to Islam.
Obama initiated this conference himself.
And he initiated it specifically so that the US and Islamic countries would form it's foundation.
Also bear in mind it's the going to be the only global counter-terrorism conference.
Sort of like NASA's foremost mission is now Islamic outreach.
Whither America.
I really wonder why Turkey doesn't cut entirely its relationships with Israel. It would be better than this stupid game it plays all day long.
They want (or Erdogan) to satisfy their islamist people ? so cut the ties once and for all. And why israelis too don't stop their relationships ?
It's the Arab League Dilemma, or the Saudi dilemma. Israel doesn't care what Saudi Arabia, Syria, UAE, etc. think about it nor do they pay attention to what they want, because they refuse to recognize Israel and Israel has no stake in a relationship with them. Erdogan wants to be able to pressure/force Israel to do things so he can use that domestically and internationally to paint himself as great defender of the Islamic world. It would also severely damage Turkey's relations with the US and parts of Europe.
However at the same time, Israel has almost de facto given teh Saudi dilemma to Turkey. The government more or less ignores everything Erdogan says without any response, and Israeli's as a whole view Turkey as an enemy now. The key to take a more moderate line, Jordan is probably the only Arab/Islamic country who Israel legitimately cares about politically as Abdullah isn't frothing at the mouth rabid for Israeli blood (Egypt, they just are trying to stop their warmongering and fanaticism). Besides the secular/neutral Central Asian states anyway.
A pro-Israeli source...
Pro Israeli sources...
I think stating you are pro-whatever implicitly diminishes the relevance of what you say, since it basically claims: I am not in any way objective. Don't know whether thats a wise move from the newspaper, albei it is an Israeli one apparently. Reminds me more of some weird football fans, which are pro club X just for the sake of it.
On the matter at hand
a) I think participating in yet another meeting forum isn't really essential for Israel, I doubt they are disappointed or feel they miss something - food dishes aside.
b) For the US it is a balancing act in the current situation in the middle east. Annoying Israel is pretty much impossible, especially given the upcoming elections. However, in the current Middle-East-Syria-Iran-Israel-Egypt scenario, the US cannot afford to loose a key military and economic player in the region either.
Well if Israel is seeing the whole Turkey as the enemy, then I pity those Israeli politicians as well as Erdogan and his "friends". The main reason why Turkey isn't cutting relations is that there is a big percentage of Turkey that actually opposes Erdogan about his opinion of Israel. Unfortunately Erdogan(like you said) is playing for the other islamic coutries. Lol he seems to care more about other islamic countries in the Middle east than his people. I just don't get this direction Erdogan is having. Talking **** about Israel is just not getting him any advantages. Personally I would prefer Israeli support than the other countries. Because mosly in the past, Arabs and other islamic people didn't support and help us in any way. Actually they did more damage to us than Israel "did". If I were Israel, I would just simply ignore Erdogan and wait for some other turkish person to become a prime minister.
Because Israel needs Turkey as much as Turkey needs Israel. They should have been more close than ever in these times...sigh.
I agree with the situation Turkey has with Syria right now, Israel and Turkey should be natural allies against the Assad regime. But then again, Iran and Israel should also be natural allies in the face of the Arabs as well. Religion and fanaticism have blinded rationality and logic in the region for a while now.
For Israeli's as a whole, Turkey = Erdogan.
It isn't going to change until Turks get rid of him and his friends.
Erdogan isn't a dictator, he was elected by the people of Turkey, twice. of course there are also many other Turks who just want him to go away, but to think that right after him and his party will lose an election, things will immediately go back to the way they used to be between Israel and Turkey, is unrealistic. while Erdogan's populistic actions and rhetorics have gained him points inside Turkey, internationally, for a country to turn 180 degrees on it's ally, in such a short time, causes it to appear unreliable. furtheremore, Israel is on the fast track to becoming economically intertwined with Cyprus, with the gas fields. I believe that without the rift between Israel and Turkey, the later would have had a say in how the gas fields situation would have unfolded.
The only somewhat similar example in Israel's history that I can think of, is France. where as today Israel and france have mutual businesses, tourism etc', the relations have never returned to what they were pre 1967 and most likely never will. that's probably what Israel and Turkey should aspire to post Edrogan.
Well this meetin in Istanbul mate and we are the host,do you think any Israeli offical especially military related will want to come here in current situation,i believe we are going to see many news like that especially before USA elections.
PS : at Turkish News about this forum i didnt see single thing about Israel too.
@tanks_alot
Last days as i read from newspaper,air-cargo between Turkiye & Israel and Israeli tourists in Antalya made record majority of simple people wont give any **** but since other leader of parties act like retard his party have still have chance.(As i know this elections were his last election according to rules of their party)
Yep good going, block Isreal from a terror forum, lets also block Germany from an Industrial Engineering forum, oh and how about we block NASA from a forum on space, oh and lets block North Korea from a dictatorship forum...
if i could just facepalm erdo with my palm....
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