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    Quote Originally Posted by FlintHillBilly View Post

    Some people really need to grasp this whole issue at hand.
    Hear Hear.

    This whole topic is staggering. Have to wonder if Terry and Zapatas families will ever see justice with all the BS flying around...

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    Original link (Daily Caller -- link corrupted by profanity filter):

    http://daily***********/2012/06/29/i...tion-cover-up/

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    In a Friday letter to the DOJ’s Inspector General Michael Horowitz, Grassley and Issa said they’re now concerned retaliation is much more likely following Thursday’s votes to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in criminal and civil contempt of Congress.

    “We just learned that ATF senior management placed two of the main whistleblowers who have testified before Congress about Fast and Furious under the supervision of someone who vowed to retaliate against them,” they wrote before describing how senior political figures have made dangerous threats before.

    Grassley and Issa said that in early 2011, right around the time Grassley first made public the whistleblowers’ allegations about Fast and Furious, Scot Thomasson – then the chief of the ATF’s Public Affairs Division – said, according to an eyewitness account: “We need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys [the whistleblowers] and take them down.”

    Thomasson also allegedly said that: “All these whistleblowers have axes to grind. ATF needs to f—k these guys.”

    According to Grassley and Issa, when Thomasson was asked about whistleblowers’ allegations that guns were allowed to walk, Thomasson said he “didn’t know and didn’t care.”
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    The two lead Fast and Furious investigators also released new, never-before-public documents that show officials in ATF’s Washington headquarters were trying to cover up Fast and Furious two weeks before Grassley ever even asked about it.

    Grassley didn’t confront the Justice Department or ATF with those questions until Jan. 27, 2011, but ATF headquarters had prepped internal talking points as early as Jan. 12, 2011.

    In that Jan. 12, 2011, memo, ATF officials laid out expected questions about gunwalking in Fast and Furious and Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder with Fast and Furious weapons – and canned answers ATF officials were supposed to give to press or anyone else asking about it.
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    Grassley and Issa released other internal documents, including emails, with their Friday letter to Horowitz. The documents show that soon-to-be-former Assistant Attorney General Ron Weich – who is resigning to lead the University of Baltimore School of Law – may have been in on this cover-up plan.

    Weich was the author of a false Feb. 4, 2011 letter to Grassley, in which he denied – on behalf of Holder – gunwalking ever took place. Holder’s DOJ withdrew that letter 10 months later, in December 2011.

    Weich and now former acting ATF director Ken Melson – who was promoted into DOJ leadership after he secretly deposed Congress without DOJ or ATF counsel – were cc-ed on emails from late January 2011.

    Those emails discuss how the DOJ and ATF planned to respond to Grassley’s request for information.

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    Another twist everywhere you step O_O

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    "It's not the crime that kills you, it's the cover-up."
    -- President Richard Milhous Nixon --

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    The two lead Fast and Furious investigators also released new, never-before-public documents that show officials in ATF’s Washington headquarters were trying to cover up Fast and Furious two weeks before Grassley ever even asked about it.

    Grassley didn’t confront the Justice Department or ATF with those questions until Jan. 27, 2011, but ATF headquarters had prepped internal talking points as early as Jan. 12, 2011.

    In that Jan. 12, 2011, memo, ATF officials laid out expected questions about gunwalking in Fast and Furious and Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder with Fast and Furious weapons – and canned answers ATF officials were supposed to give to press or anyone else asking about it.
    I have a different opinion of this set of statements. If my agency was involved in an operation or as a result of an operation an agent's death could be tied to it, you can be damn sure there would be a Q & A session where in addition to getting answers for myself I would be trying to see what kinds of questions DOJ and or Congress could be asking and have answers ready for them. That's just smart. The agency new of Agt Terry's death and knew that 2 guns recovered at that scene were F&F guns.tryingnto come up with answers to possible questions - unless they were trying to come up with lies- doesn't scream cover-up to me.

    Also, '06, I never said the Fortune story was the whole truth, but it puts a different perspective on some of what has been reported and even alleged by the whistleblowers. Is ATF responsible for guns that were allowed to walk because the US Attorney wouldn't indict or authorize seizure? How many guns did ATF purposefully allow to go, i.e. they planned to let guns walk vs couldn't get authorization?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laconian View Post
    I have a different opinion of this set of statements. If my agency was involved in an operation or as a result of an operation an agent's death could be tied to it, you can be damn sure there would be a Q & A session where in addition to getting answers for myself I would be trying to see what kinds of questions DOJ and or Congress could be asking and have answers ready for them. That's just smart. The agency new of Agt Terry's death and knew that 2 guns recovered at that scene were F&F guns.tryingnto come up with answers to possible questions - unless they were trying to come up with lies- doesn't scream cover-up to me.
    Fair enough.
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    Also, '06, I never said the Fortune story was the whole truth....
    I never said you said that.
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    .... but it puts a different perspective on some of what has been reported and even alleged by the whistleblowers.
    I think I did say pretty much the same thing.
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    Is ATF responsible for guns that were allowed to walk because the US Attorney wouldn't indict or authorize seizure? How many guns did ATF purposefully allow to go, i.e. they planned to let guns walk vs couldn't get authorization?
    If it was a few guns, okay, I could buy that. It was not. It was literally thousands of guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    -----If it was a few guns, okay, I could buy that. It was not. It was literally thousands of guns.
    How many of the guns "walked" were guns that ATF intentionally walked vs. guns ATF knew were straw purchased guns but could not get approval to interdict or seize because of the requirements/restrictions placed on the group by the USAO? No one has disclosed this and I think that is a very necessary distinction to make.

    Either way there are a bunch of questions that haven't benn answered yet.

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    Arrow Holder: GOP targeting me as a 'proxy' for Obama


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    Arrow New letter from Senator Grassley to AG Holder

    http://www.grassley.senate.gov/about...OJ-FF-Memo.pdf

    July 3, 2012

    Via Electronic Transmission

    The Honorable Eric H. Holder, Jr.
    Attorney General
    U.S. Department of Justice
    950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    Washington, DC 20530

    Dear Attorney General Holder:

    The investigation into Operation Fast and Furious has focused on two specific areas: (1) When did individuals within the Department of Justice (DOJ/Department) become aware of the tactics and (2) How did DOJ provide false information to Congress regarding the allegations of gunwalking.

    I believe the Department should have been abundantly aware of allegations of gunwalking as there was more than one ATF agent providing information to Department components before the February 4, 2011, letter was sent to Congress.

    Specifically, on February 2, 2011, my investigators contacted an ATF Special Agent who worked out of the Phoenix Field Division, Group VII office, and was familiar with Operation Fast and Furious. The conversation centered on the ATF Agent’s recollection of how Fast and Furious was executed and his recollection confirmed the allegations my office had heard from other ATF whistleblowers. What was unknown until late 2011 was that this ATF Agent produced a memorandum on February 3, 2011, which documented his discussion about Fast and Furious. The subject of the memorandum is, “Contact with Congressional Investigators,” and I have enclosed it within this letter.

    This Fast and Furious memorandum traveled rapidly through ATF’s chain of command. The memorandum was emailed on February 3, 2011, from the Dallas Field Division to Phoenix SAC William Newell and Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations William McMahon. Records that the Justice Department has withheld from Congress, which were only made available for review in camera, show an email chain attaching this memorandum was sent to Assistant Director of Field Operations Mark Chait at ATF headquarters by the afternoon of February 3, 2011.

    According to ATF personnel, the memorandum was discussed by high level ATF personnel and possibly forwarded to DOJ headquarters on February 3, 2011. Specifically, it has been alleged that individuals within the Deputy Attorney General’s (DAG’s) office and the Office of Legislative Affairs (OLA) at the Department were aware of or actually read the memorandum before the Department’s February 4, 2011, letter was sent. Some individuals who spoke with my office claim they were “alarmed” by the substance of the memorandum and it caused such a stir that ATF planned to put a panel together to address the allegations but someone within DOJ suppressed the idea.

    The possibility that DOJ was aware of this memorandum on February 3, 2011, and still sent the erroneous letter to Congress on February 4, 2011, raises more questions about DOJ’s claim that faulty information from Department components inadvertently led to the false letter. This was direct, documented information from street level agents in a far better position to know the facts than the senior supervisory personnel whom DOJ claims to have relied upon for information about the allegations.

    Discovering how high up the chain of command inside the Justice Department the memorandum was reviewed has not been easy. The Department has not made available certain individuals who could corroborate what my office has been told. Moreover, it is unclear whether the set of “deliberative” materials about the drafting of the February 4, 2011, letter that the Department produced to Congress constitutes a complete set of all relevant documents or whether other relevant documents from the pre-February 4th timeframe may have been withheld. Consequently, please answer the following questions:

    1) Have all records relating to the February 3, 2011, memorandum been gathered and preserved by the Justice Department? If not, why not? If so, please describe the nature and volume of those records.

    2) Will you produce those records to Congress? If not, please explain why not.

    3) Which DOJ personnel received a copy of the February 3, 2011, memorandum prior to February 4, 2011?

    4) Which DOJ personnel were aware of the memorandum before the February 4, 2011 reply was sent to me? Please provide all records related to these questions, or certify that all relevant documents have already been provided.

    I would appreciate a written response by no later than July 17, 2012. If you have any questions concerning this matter, please contact Brian Downey of my staff at (202) 224-5225.

    Sincerely,
    Charles E. Grassley
    Ranking Member


    cc: The Honorable Patrick J. Leahy, Chairman
    Committee on the Judiciary, U.S. Senate
    The Honorable Darrell E. Issa, Chairman
    Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, U.S. House of Representatives
    The Honorable Elijah E. Cummings, Ranking Member
    Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, U.S. House of Representatives
    The Honorable Michael E. Horowitz, Inspector General
    U.S. Department of Justice
    B. Todd Jones, Acting Director
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laconian View Post
    I have a different opinion of this set of statements. If my agency was involved in an operation or as a result of an operation an agent's death could be tied to it, you can be damn sure there would be a Q & A session where in addition to getting answers for myself I would be trying to see what kinds of questions DOJ and or Congress could be asking and have answers ready for them. That's just smart. The agency new of Agt Terry's death and knew that 2 guns recovered at that scene were F&F guns.tryingnto come up with answers to possible questions - unless they were trying to come up with lies- doesn't scream cover-up to me.

    Also, '06, I never said the Fortune story was the whole truth, but it puts a different perspective on some of what has been reported and even alleged by the whistleblowers. Is ATF responsible for guns that were allowed to walk because the US Attorney wouldn't indict or authorize seizure? How many guns did ATF purposefully allow to go, i.e. they planned to let guns walk vs couldn't get authorization?
    A commentary on the Fortune article:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/print...s_scandal.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    A commentary on the Fortune article:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/print...s_scandal.html



    CNN's Soledud O'Brien no surprise championed the Fortune story, which is looking less and less like a hard news story and more like trying to defend Holder.

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    Arrow Holder offers $1 million reward for info leading to arrest of Brian Terry’s killers

    Justice unseals indictment charging 5 in Brian Terry's death, offers $1M reward for leads on fugitives

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/09/justice-unseals-indictment-charging-five-in-brian-terry-death/

    The Justice Department on Monday unsealed an indictment charging five individuals allegedly involved in Border Patrol agent Brian Terry's death, and announced a reward of up to $1 million for information leading to the arrest of those suspects still at large.

    For the first time, federal officials also revealed that Terry and an elite squad of federal agents initially fired bean bags -- not bullets -- at a heavily armed drug cartel crew in the mountains south of Tucson in December 2011. During the exchange, Terry was shot and killed.
    Offering a reward for Officer Terry's killers will rightly be seen as as cynical blame-shifting. This kind of damage control and deflection attempt is going to backfire big-time. Brian Terry's parents are going to rip Holder a new one in 3.... 2.... 1....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    http://tinyurl.com/cs2fevr


    Original link (Daily Caller -- link corrupted by profanity filter):

    http://daily***********/2012/07/09/h...errys-killers/

    This kind of damage control and deflection attempt is going to backfire big-time. Brian Terry's parents are going to rip Holder a new one in 3.... 2.... 1....
    I say it was Holder. Where's my cash!

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    Arrow Formal complaint seeks disbarment of Eric Holder in DC

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    http://daily***********/2012/07/09/f...-holder-in-dc/

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    Arrow Eric Holder contempt vote supported by most Americans, poll says


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