Obama grants Holder's request for executive privilege on 'Furious' documents

[shermbodius]

Neither party has any exclusive claim over that particular trait.

True, seems the only thing both sides can agree on is controlling the citizens.

[gaijinsamurai]

....... I really may not vote again. Ever. It seems like a waste of time.

x2, and that is what's really tragic and scary about this whole political climate. I was a Political Science/International Studies major in college, worked on political campaigns, lead voter registration drives, participated in student government, and always felt strongly about the importance of voting. But it really doesn't matter.

[commanding]

From what I can tell, Holder turned over a sh*tload of stuff, but Isa was never really going to be satisfied. He seems like a **** that way. You know it's politically motivated. It simply is. In general that kind of sh*t annoys me no matter who is in the sights. Holder on the other hand is obfuscating the sh*t out of this. At best he's incompetent, at worst, criminal. I don't think Obama really gives a sh*t about this vote wise because his base hates guns by any means necessary, and doesn't care. Then there are a certain amount of non gun owning independent types that are more concerned with social issues than this, that he'll get anyway, because Romney really is a dork. I really may not vote again. Ever. It seems like a waste of time.

CJ when you are right you are right. It is sad that elections get down to two candidates neither of which are worthy of the office. Sock puppet one.. or.. sock puppet two.

[Arnie100]

So, anyone else think this will be Obama's "Iran-Contra"?

[Laworkerbee]

Do you think Fast was an attempt to control guns in the U.S.?

It sure coincided with a nice campaign on CNN blaming US gun owners on guns flowing over the border.

Coincidence? Maybe?

[Dominique]

You can't say this information is a security risk if you don't know what is in it?

Actually it's been done for some of the stuff that people were and are being prosecuted for under the Patriot Act

[Mein Teil]

I'll hold my nose and vote against Obama, because there is no way to get enthusiastic about Romney...but I'm just blown away by the shenanigans the DOJ under Holder has been doing, and then the last minute attempt to pull an imperial president executive move like this...reeks of collusion and coverups at the highest levels of this admin.

I'd just be happy to have someone in the office that's not on television giving divisive speeches telling Americans who to blame something on twice a day.

[Mein Teil]

It sure coincided with a nice campaign on CNN blaming US gun owners on guns flowing over the border.

Coincidence? Maybe?

Peple forget that Obama was giving anti-gun dealer speeches at the same time the OP was in full swing. The Mexican president and Obama were also selling the UN treaty too.

[C.Puffs]

I really may not vote again. Ever. It seems like a waste of time.

Well not voting will certainly make a difference.

[gaijinsamurai]

I have mixed feelings about not voting. On one hand, why give a dishonest, incompetent politician your vote just because he's "the lesser of two evils"? On the other hand, the scumbag politicians probably know they can get away with more when the voters become so disgusted they opt out of the selection process.

[Laconian]

I would never have guessed them to pull this move.

[C.Puffs]

I have mixed feelings about not voting. On one hand, why give a dishonest, incompetent politician your vote just because he's "the lesser of two evils"? On the other hand, the scumbag politicians probably know they can get away with more when the voters become so disgusted they opt out of the selection process.

You have to think of the pile of $hit in Washington (the government) as a huge ship headed towards a reef. If you do nothing it hits the reef. If you just nudge the rudder for one second it effectively does nothing. It takes constant applied pressure to make the thing turn. Things won't change in one election no matter who runs. That person does not exist. Of the options there surely one is closer to what you'd want, regardless if it's only a gnat's ass difference. Keep doing that and eventually we get to where we need to be. Enough people say, "**** it" and *BOOM* we hit the reef.

[gaijinsamurai]

...but I wonder if maybe hitting the reef is what it's going to take to unfvck everything. Don't get me wrong, i don't want the ship to sink. A lot of good people, including myself, could be adversely effected.

[C.Puffs]

I would never have guessed them to pull this move.

Maybe they think if they just try to brazen it out enough people will fall for it. Thing is all it really makes me wonder is what are they trying to hide that is so damning that Obama would jump in. And does Congress have any options now or is this effectively a decree shielding Holder?

[C.Puffs]

...but I wonder if maybe hitting the reef is what it's going to take to unfvck everything. Don't get me wrong, i don't want the ship to sink. A lot of good people, including myself, could be adversely effected.

I wonder about that too. That's why I hope the Republicans gain full control. The whole "give them enough rope" to see if they hang themselves. If they don't do any better than the Democrats they have nobody to blame. Just like the Democrats have nobody to blame for the $hit that happened between 2009-2011. What worries me is what kind of things do China and Russia get up to while we implode and try to unfvck ourselves?