Reply With QuoteThey can hope to kick the US out in one hand and crap in the other. See what they have more of in the end.
China's Monroe Doctrine?
Many have argued over the last year that China has been very aggressive pressing its claims in the South China Sea and so on. Others have argued lately that in the case of the Scarborough Shoal, China has been very resistant to press its case. Whatever side you believe, some are arguing that China has a case to craft its own Monroe Doctrine in the near seas of its coasts. That would basically kick the US out of East Asia...
http://thediplomat.com/2012/06/20/ch...nroe-doctrine/
They can hope to kick the US out in one hand and crap in the other. See what they have more of in the end.
Monroe Doctrine worked when 747/icbm/aircraft carriers/instant-global-communication-network didn't exist. China's only alienating the neighbors more. Let's not forget some of the current neighbors of China are nothing like what the South American nations in the 1800's were.
Way to completely slant the article to your own goal.Originally Posted by travis911
What the article really said was "China’s policy in the near seas today bears scant resemblance to the Monroe Doctrine. But its application still holds lessons for China."
You mean Mun-Ro?
And that would be what, say, as opposed to the extension of the original Munroe Doctrine from the western hemisphere to the entire globe?
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Here's a not very popular thought, particularly on this forum. So I would like to state a quick disclaimer. As a ex-serviceman in an ANZAC army, I'm firmly on the side of our troops. So read my post from that starting point.
China's claim on the SCS has better similarities to the US claim of WMD in Iraq. Contrast the number and frequency of interventions between Africa and the Middle east. It will be naive to think it's got nothing to do with securing the supply of oil.
China is digging itself into a bigger hole the more it tries to 'push out' US out of Asia. It just unites all Asian nations (except for N Korea) close to each other and US.
China is between a rock and a hard place though.
- Try to kick US out of Asia? Not gonna happen as only China/N-Korea wants US out of Asia. US is not going to walk away from Asia.
- Don't bother protesting presence of US in Asia? Well it hurts the perceived prestige of China.
Sometimes doing nothing is the best course of action and this seems to be the case for China imo. the question is, will China learn this lesson?
I'm sorry but what's your point? Are you saying China is trying to push out US to secure supply of oil?
It would be foolish not to think so...
With the US out of the picture China could easily do what it wanted.
Respond to the other ****ing users in your threads. Use the real topic or don't ****ing post. Quit hit and running!
My point is China is trying to secure the supply of oil. Period. If the US needs to be pushed out for them to do that, then that's what they will be trying to do.
Their rationale is if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. The precedence was already established by the US.
China reminds me an awful lot of the dotcom startups back in the day. They assumed they had "won" and were already long-lasting successes on the sheer merit of novelty. As a result they made a whole lots of stupid financial decisions under the assumption that they were going to have profits to cover it in the future which proceeded to hasten their demise.
I'm not saying that China's economy is going to go ****-up as a consequence, but they are setting themselves up for failure diplomatically. Their government assumes that they've already "won": the US, EU, etc. are (at least figuratively) smoldering ruins and the PRC is the lone, big-donged hyperpower on the block. Their government also thinks that this is a great time to go back to old-school colonialism because, again, since they're "destined" to be the dominant power on Earth no one will dare oppose their landgrabs. Only problem is that they are not the lone power in East Asia, it is very likely that they never will be the lone power in that region, and that their neighbors aren't exactly keen to give up resource-rich territories because millenia ago some Chinese fisherman pulled his ship to take a leak. As a result their awkward attempts at pulling rank in East Asia are doing nothing but shooting themselves in the foot and limiting their own power.
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