Reply With QuoteWe neednt entire NATO help i guessOriginally Posted by Astaran
http://www.incirlik.af.mil/
With your logic terrorists at Dagestan region of Russia innocent people too?
- Can TAF F-16 conduct recon missions too?
-Would a F-16 have better chance to "survive" ? (More modern = lower RCS, better ECM, situational awarness etc ? )
- When is TAF supposed to retire its F4 ?
We neednt entire NATO help i guess
http://www.incirlik.af.mil/
With your logic terrorists at Dagestan region of Russia innocent people too?
The plane was a specialized variant for recon. It was modernized by IAI ten years ago.
I don't think a F-16 recon variants do exist. A F-16 could probably effectuate recon missions with a specialized pod.
Syria also kills armed rebels and foreign terrorists (AQ), so what is the difference? Situation in Syria is the same as in Yemen, the difference is, that the West support Yemen army in Yemen fighting terrorists and terrorists in Syria fighting Syrian army.
Yes also according to Minister of Foreign Affairs (after checkin radars and stuff) this mission wasnt a recon mission too.
Of course same for F4e-2020 that planes can carry Popeye Missiles which is aganist air defenses.
With F-35s i guess also Alenia Aeronautica still trying to sell Eurofighters to us for replace F-4s
Great, Yemeni comparision. Bytheway, who would you compare hundreds of thousands of Yemeni civilians in the Sanaa, military defectors and armed tribesmen to?
According to Debka, it was a Pantsyr that did the job...
http://www.debka.com/article/22112/N...rkish-warplane
So probably not a Pantsyr ? (Funny thing is the URL mentions BUK... but hey, it is Debka afterall)
The F-4E that were upgraded to 2020 standard are able to fire all kinds of modern precision munitions. These are capa ble aircrafts for attack missions and are not obsolete yet.
Terrorists are terrorists everywhere, being in Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Yemen or elsewhere. In every war innocent people die as well as in Dagestan and in Chechnya there were innocent people who die in operations against terrorists. But every government have right to fight terrorists, including Syria. What is wrong is the fact that for political reasons terrorists in one country are painted as freedom fighters and innocent people although you fight with them in Iraq, Afghanistan, Caucasus, Balkan wars, etc.
Turkey calls Nato meeting on warplane downed by Syriahttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18568207Turkey has called a meeting of Nato member states to discuss its response to the shooting down of one of its warplanes by Syrian forces on Friday.
Ankara has invoked Article 4 of Nato's charter, under which consultations can be requested when an ally feels their security is threatened, officials say.
"Zero problems with neighbors" FM Davutoğlu has spoken:
Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu has said an F-4 jet downed by Syria on Friday was shot down in international airspace and that it was on a training mission to test Turkey's own national radar system, adding that it was unarmed and had no mission related to Syria.
“The downed Turkish jet was shot down in international airspace 13 miles off Syria,” he said on Sunday during an interview with TRT Haber. He further noted that the jet was only tasked with a routine test of Turkey's own radar system. In reference to Syria's response, Davutoğlu said, “It is either amateurish behavior or ill-intention to describe the Turkish plane as a threat.”
Explaining that in order to conduct the radar test the plane had to fly at a low altitude, Davutoğlu said the jet was hit 13 miles off the Syrian coast in international air space. “Our plane briefly violated Syrian airspace, but not during the time it was shot down,” he said.
The foreign minister further said Syria had not delivered any warnings to Turkey.
“During the entire operation conducted by the downed jet, Syria made no attempt to contact Turkish authorities by any means,” he said. Davutoğlu added that Turkish intelligence intercepted radio communications from the Syrian side suggesting that they knew it was a Turkish plane.
He said Turkey's response will be clear after Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's scheduled meeting with opposition leaders on Sunday. “We will, without any hesitation, decisively take the necessary steps regarding the Turkish plane downed by Syria,” he added. “No country can show the courage to test Turkey's patience.”
He added that Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi had called him following the incident and said they would “do their best” regarding the incident. “I told him that Turkey expects a clear position from Tehran,” he said.
Davutoğlu said he would present the incident formally to the NATO military alliance this week under article four of its founding treaty.
The article provides for states to "consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened".
It stops short of the explicit mention of possible armed responses cited in article five.
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-2844...-airspace.html
Bravo man. Totally agree. Have you ever forgotten the freedom fighters in Libya destroying the Christian tombs, treating prisoners like dogs or fighting and killing other groups (who used to their comrades) after defeating the old evil regime? I am sure they are no innocent people.
well, we don't shell entire cities and level them down to take down 4-5 terrorists either.
They are Yemeni opposition to Yemen dictator Saleh, but after Saleh removal Yemeni people is not fighting against Yemeni army but Yemeni army in the south of Yemen is fighting with Al Qaida terrorists.
In Syria there are also a lot of foreign terrorists from KSA, Qatar, UAE, ... and those monarhies also armed them and payed them. Syria have all right to fight against them to protect their citizens.
in Yemen the enemy is clear, Al qaida. in Syria there is only a handfull of Al qaida members most probably. most of the opposition consists of defected soldiers.
since when is Defection=terrorism?
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