edit: nevermindOriginally Posted by sgtfcm
Last edited by WuTangSword; 06-24-2012 at 09:55 AM.
Last week our forces killed terrorists when they trying to join Turkiye via Syria also they didnt give any **** about forest fire in their border and that forest fire come till Hatay,their act remind me what they did in 1989 they attacked to a civilian plane in Hatay.
in 2005 their Scud missile fall to Hatay with mistake
2 years ago they tried to take over a Turkish ship with using Turkish flags at their war ships and list go on.
Many comments here give an impression as if Syrian AD had full situational awareness, knew whose plane it is, what kind of plane it is, what kind of intentions it has etc. etc.
They saw the blip, had to react in seconds (according to their training and orders) and the rest is history.
Yeah Turkish FM Ahmet Whatnot said that the Syrians must have indentified the aircraft as Turkish because it had obvious flags and emblems and whatever.
Try telling that to a missile operator who only sees a blip on his 70's soviet radar screen ffs.
F-4 and SAM-3 are same generation from fifties/sixties. It would be interesting to know, if this is standard SAM-3 or modernized Pechora-2M, which is mobile and could quickly change positions.According to Russian sources missile was a SA-3 GOA .
Righto; they saw something coming in low and fast; that's it, maybe its Radar RCS too. It could be a cruise missile for all that they knew.
Pechora-2M is a nice, cheap, effective system. No Buk-M2 though.
IMHO according to writing on the ground front of the battery with rounds 2M PECHORA.
And if the situation in Syria were stable and the entire country was not bracing for an invasion or bombing campaign; I rather suspect that they wouldn't have shot down the jet either. So probably not a worthwhile comparison.
To be fair Arbody, that would be like someone saying that they don't trust the words of someone called Dmitri or VladimirFirst , let's wait for facts not some Ahmet words . I do not trust people named Ahmed. If plane was in Syrian space before , it's doesn't matter when/where he was downed.
As a matter of fact he said that all radio chanells were open so for air traffic it must have been ovious that it was Turkish plane.
Bad argument, there wasn't just one F4 flying towards Syria but at least 2 and in formation.
No it's not, Turkey supports openly the enemy of Assad. Technically the same situation.
This chart shows several things:We know for sure they didn't? Facts are , plane was downed and before it they were in Syrian airspace. As for me Syrian side well done.
1) Syrians were tracking the jet for long time and it was no surprise to them.
2) The F-4 was flying at high altitude, otherwise they were not able to track it.
3) Syrians were pretty sure that its a Turkish plane, because it flew through Turkish territory at high altitude and then loitered around.
4) Its ridiculous to assume that a hostile plane intending to attack would loiter before that at high altitude dragging all possible attention.
Bad argument? its the only argument, and is technically not the same situation, if you think so, then you are clueless.
BTW, when SAF fighters defected to Israel, they landed safely, nobody shoot at them.
Even that wouldn't have made it obious to the firing unit.
If the battery unit went all gun-ho and started shooting at anything that beeped on their radar than no. However it is their fault for not trying to identify target.
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