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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtfcm View Post
    Just finished reading the news. Apparently Syrians claim that further clashes with unidentified "terrorists" also happened near the border.
    I am unable to comment on their internal affairs but shooting down a turkish plane is pissing on the wrong guy's shoes.
    I hope the will find the 2 airmen alive.
    edit: nevermind
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtfcm View Post
    Just finished reading the news. Apparently Syrians claim that further clashes with unidentified "terrorists" also happened near the border.
    I am unable to comment on their internal affairs but shooting down a turkish plane is pissing on the wrong guy's shoes.
    I hope the will find the 2 airmen alive.
    Last week our forces killed terrorists when they trying to join Turkiye via Syria also they didnt give any **** about forest fire in their border and that forest fire come till Hatay,their act remind me what they did in 1989 they attacked to a civilian plane in Hatay.

    in 2005 their Scud missile fall to Hatay with mistake

    2 years ago they tried to take over a Turkish ship with using Turkish flags at their war ships and list go on.

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    Many comments here give an impression as if Syrian AD had full situational awareness, knew whose plane it is, what kind of plane it is, what kind of intentions it has etc. etc.
    They saw the blip, had to react in seconds (according to their training and orders) and the rest is history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bankoletti View Post
    Many comments here give an impression as if Syrian AD had full situational awareness, knew whose plane it is, what kind of plane it is, what kind of intentions it has etc. etc.
    They saw the blip, had to react in seconds (according to their training and orders) and the rest is history.
    Yeah Turkish FM Ahmet Whatnot said that the Syrians must have indentified the aircraft as Turkish because it had obvious flags and emblems and whatever.

    Try telling that to a missile operator who only sees a blip on his 70's soviet radar screen ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokokko View Post
    According to Russian sources missile was a SA-3 GOA .

    F-4 and SAM-3 are same generation from fifties/sixties. It would be interesting to know, if this is standard SAM-3 or modernized Pechora-2M, which is mobile and could quickly change positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
    Yeah Turkish FM Ahmet Whatnot said that the Syrians must have indentified the aircraft as Turkish because it had obvious flags and emblems and whatever.

    Try telling that to a missile operator who only sees a blip on his 70's soviet radar screen ffs.
    Righto; they saw something coming in low and fast; that's it, maybe its Radar RCS too. It could be a cruise missile for all that they knew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medo View Post
    F-4 and SAM-3 are same generation from fifties/sixties. It would be interesting to know, if this is standard SAM-3 or modernized Pechora-2M, which is mobile and could quickly change positions.
    Pechora-2M is a nice, cheap, effective system. No Buk-M2 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medo View Post
    F-4 and SAM-3 are same generation from fifties/sixties. It would be interesting to know, if this is standard SAM-3 or modernized Pechora-2M, which is mobile and could quickly change positions.
    IMHO according to writing on the ground front of the battery with rounds 2M PECHORA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEMM View Post
    Hmm, if we would follow the same policy it would mean at least four downed planes in last few years...
    And if the situation in Syria were stable and the entire country was not bracing for an invasion or bombing campaign; I rather suspect that they wouldn't have shot down the jet either. So probably not a worthwhile comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbody View Post
    First , let's wait for facts not some Ahmet words . I do not trust people named Ahmed . If plane was in Syrian space before , it's doesn't matter when/where he was downed.
    To be fair Arbody, that would be like someone saying that they don't trust the words of someone called Dmitri or Vladimir

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
    Yeah Turkish FM Ahmet Whatnot said that the Syrians must have indentified the aircraft as Turkish because it had obvious flags and emblems and whatever.

    Try telling that to a missile operator who only sees a blip on his 70's soviet radar screen ffs.
    As a matter of fact he said that all radio chanells were open so for air traffic it must have been ovious that it was Turkish plane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Climber View Post
    Are you aware that SAF planes defected to Israel back in history? right?

    Anyway, since we are actually AT war with Syria, its a different situation.
    Bad argument, there wasn't just one F4 flying towards Syria but at least 2 and in formation.
    No it's not, Turkey supports openly the enemy of Assad. Technically the same situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbody View Post
    We know for sure they didn't? Facts are , plane was downed and before it they were in Syrian airspace. As for me Syrian side well done.
    This chart shows several things:

    1) Syrians were tracking the jet for long time and it was no surprise to them.
    2) The F-4 was flying at high altitude, otherwise they were not able to track it.
    3) Syrians were pretty sure that its a Turkish plane, because it flew through Turkish territory at high altitude and then loitered around.
    4) Its ridiculous to assume that a hostile plane intending to attack would loiter before that at high altitude dragging all possible attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grax View Post
    Bad argument, there wasn't just one F4 flying towards Syria but at least 2 and in formation.
    No it's not, Turkey supports openly the enemy of Assad. Technically the same situation.
    Bad argument? its the only argument, and is technically not the same situation, if you think so, then you are clueless.

    BTW, when SAF fighters defected to Israel, they landed safely, nobody shoot at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
    As a matter of fact he said that all radio chanells were open so for air traffic it must have been ovious that it was Turkish plane.
    Even that wouldn't have made it obious to the firing unit.

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    If the battery unit went all gun-ho and started shooting at anything that beeped on their radar than no. However it is their fault for not trying to identify target.

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