Reply With QuoteThe possibility the Syrians captured them and hold them in secrecy should not be excluded, even if the chance for this is small, because such things happened in the past with Israeli POWS.
No, pilots still were not found so that means they were probably KIA. Hopefully I am wrong but I can hardly imagine how could they survive this long without any food and drinking water.
The possibility the Syrians captured them and hold them in secrecy should not be excluded, even if the chance for this is small, because such things happened in the past with Israeli POWS.
And, unfortunately, that is the best possible outcome right now. I also agree that the chance for this is pretty small. I figure Junior Assad would have played that card by now if he had it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EV_Nautilus
This ship going to place for looking pilots and plane,also even if they are captured we can take them one way or another i guess,i prefer they are captured than lost their life,Captain Gökhan Ertan was about to be one of first Turkish astronauts too he made all tests.
It must be pretty painful for the parents and I wish the recovery teams all the best.
Ali Ertan (father of pilot Gökhan Ertan) already said my son still in my heart if he is alive or lost his life,i wish Syrian officals were responsible like Ali Ertan at his every interviews he keep insisting Turkiye mustnt join a war,Zennure Ertan(mother of missed pilot) more quiet btw
That might be your perception of what I've stated, but I believe that no foreign state can coerce the US to do anything. My argument is that special interests have a overwhelming influence on US foreign policy that is often contrary to the interests of the people of the United States.
Feel free to do so. I was responding to the comment that "If that was a win for the Arabs I'd hate to see what they consider what a victory looks like" and that Iraq, Libya, Egypt, and soon Syria are "done" (meaning a "loss" on "their" - I assume fundamentalist - part). The tactical victories by the US/West against fundamentalist Islamic forces are meaningless in light of the long-term/strategic benefits they are enjoying. This is an observation and not some "cheer-leading" or propagation of some agenda.Ok I agree, so why you posted what you posted? should I quote you?
Your comment brings back memories when I was advocating the same on this forum and stating that Egypt (with the MB in charge) is a greater threat to Israel than Iran. Again my observation had nothing to do with any political expediency but rather the dangerous military capacity that Egypt maintains. You can thank the current administration for how things have unfolded in the ME, and all the "loose ends" that will have to be addressed in the near future.the so called democratic Egypt is a fantasy. I am not ingenious and since day one I ve been calling this a threat, we gave them the land for peace and we are about to be without both. But its not the first time this happens to us, so we will find a way to mange it IF the US do not meddle with our interests as they usually do.
You can long for peace all you want, but you need the other party to be receptive to find a lasting diplomatic solution. Perhaps Israel did not have that with every dictator/"king" that borders her territory, but there was at least a status quo that allowed ordinary citizens to live in relative peace. Where there was at least hope that there could be a negotiated compromise on open issues (much like the Camp David Accords), there is now a renewed threat of populist chest-beating for military solutions.this is the problem:
we do not long for anything else than peace and economic ties with our neighbours, democratic or not, that's a problem for them not for us, we don't long for dictators, and those always called for our destruction anyway like history can show you.
The predicament we find ourselves in is not the fault of Israel, but instead the tactical mindset of the US foreign policy. Instead of leading by example and demanding the liberalization of repressive societies from our own so-called "allies", we thought we could establish them on "enemies" with war and occupation. Today we're facing a greater radicalization of the population, weaker authoritarian governments, and organized fundamentalist and/or terrorist organizations. Oh... and we're $16 trillion in debt with thousands of US soldiers dead or wounded (which means we'll have a smaller appetite to engage a future enemy when it will be of vital importance to us).
In light of the personal items collected and the lack of electronic transmissions (like SLB/PLB/EPIRBs) during/after the crash, I personally doubt that they even ejected.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
Latest 'take' on what happened from WSJ.
If Mr. Ecevit is loooking for a NATO/US green light for a 'go' at Syria, it won't be about this jet.
Only unnamed sources unfortunately, confirming which system was used would really be quite helpful and the families of the pilots surely deserve the truth.
This part is interesting
U.S. intelligence indicates that a Turkish warplane shot down by Syrian forces was most likely hit by shore-based antiaircraft guns while it was inside Syrian airspace, American officials said, a finding in tune with Syria's account and at odds with Turkey.
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I believe if they were under fire from Anti-Aircraft gun they will had chance report to main base,WSJ did similar fake news about Uludere issue too,i believe we gonna learn black sheep&white sheep when we found plane.
Not in the case the jet was flying low ( 200 ft ) , e.g. like in the jet's first dive into Syrian airspace . In this case pilots had no time : not for report, not even for ejection.
What was "fake" about Uludere ?
USA gave information with Predator UAVs when we interest to buy armed Predator UAVs,i believe we gonna understand everything when we found plane even with this story seems Syrians had enough chance to notice plane was a Turkish Jet.
Russia now claims to posses "objective observation data" on the downing of the Turkish Jet. http://en.rian.ru/world/20120630/174333287.html
quite an interesting turn.
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