Military plane, Hatay, Turkey, lost contact close to Syria

[Grax]

Could someone tell me what is the estimated range between the border where the plane was engaged and the soil ?

[Grax]

The IAF has far more advanced electronic counter-measures. http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/Pri...aspx?id=189617

As I said earlier, they didn't have any of the systems they have right now at that time!

[memfisa]

I am more than certain then if needed Turkey alone would crush Syrian air force if needed.

Right, and what factors did you include in the equation which lead you to this conclusion?

[themacedonian]

Well when the Israelis attacked Syria they didn't have neither Pantsir nor Bukm1-2 or Bukm2 (they don't even received them from Russia at that point).
I am not even sure if they have Bukm2 right now.

Right, but at that time they don't even have the systems.

So you think the Israeli planes were completely invisible? The jamming would have indicated that something was up.

[D-Mitch]

I am more than certain then if needed Turkey alone would crush Syrian air force if needed.

I doubt, it is not easy to penetrate an air-defence with unknown weapons and also to face the casualties of pilots/fighters/money etc. Turkey is not USA and Syria not Kurds rebels.

[EITAN88]

The IAF has far more advanced electronic counter-measures, which they used to disable the Syrian air-defense. http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/Pri...aspx?id=189617

Well EW was certainly used to the greatest extent in Operation Orchard while for all we know that Turkish F4 mistakenly breached Syria's airspace.

[themacedonian]

I don't doubt that the Syrian army is ready to fight it out. I am unsure of how far they could take it with their present equipment. I am hoping that we don't repeat the Libyan scenario however. Much bigger piece to chew and for the same unclear objectives.

Article V, I don't see it. Even if Turkey was retaliated against in the case of a military intervention on Syria's air defenses.

Sometimes one has fight regardless of the state of their equipment. Once again I will use Serbia as an example (and put up a good fight).

[Silent Reader]

Could someone tell me what is the estimated range between the border where the plane was engaged and the soil ?

Territorial waters are 22km out, if the plane was actually 1km within their waters it would have been at least 21km

[Grax]

So you think the Israeli planes were completely invisible? The jamming would have indicated that something was up.

No, but with everything else they probably couldn't even reach the plane. The other system were/are obsolete.
Or they didn't even switched their radars on.
Who knows, but fact is that they did not have any advanced air defense system at the time.

[80 EAN]

is it possible for Syrians to have captured the pilots?

[Grax]

Territorial waters are 22km out, if the plane was actually 1km within their waters it would have been at least 21km

Thank you very much, Pantsir and Manpads are out of the game. (At least now )

[themacedonian]

No, but with everything else they probably couldn't even reach the plane. The other system were/are obsolete.

Think about it. If the Israelies were so sure about their capabilities and if the Syrians did not have anything to match it at that period the attack would not have been a surprise attack.

Even now. The Turks probably thought they will fly some reconnaissance missions near Syria and nothing will happen. So the surprise was on them. Otherwise they would have taken precautions.

[Grax]

Think about it. If the Israelies were so sure about their capabilities and if the Syrians did not have anything to match it at that period the attack would not have been a surprise attack.

Even now. The Turks probably thought they will fly some reconnaissance missions near Syria and nothing will happen. So the surprise was on them. Otherwise they would have taken precautions.

For sure they had S200 which pose "some" danger to their jets and they also have other systems but nothing up2date back then.

I am not sure what you are trying to tell me

[Tango-1]

Could someone tell me what is the estimated range between the border where the plane was engaged and the soil ?

According to them, the jet fell of 10 miles from the coast after it got shot.

http://www.haberturk.com/gundem/habe...n-ilk-aciklama


And it was flying low :

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/planet/20...d=172&sz=20773

[JustBrowsing]

Thank you very much, Pantsir and Manpads are out of the game. (At least now )

Preparing popcorn for the inevitable youtube video of three 18 year old boys jumping on smoldering wreck of Pantsir and shouting Admiral Akhbarrrr.I guess in around 3-6 months