Military plane, Hatay, Turkey, lost contact close to Syria

[Piirka]

I doubt that KS-19 with fire rate of 15 rounds/min is capable to shot down Phantom. Even with it's 100mm caliber
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The beefed-up version of that, perhaps:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...uot-with-radar

[rat1111]

And why not ?

phantom is too fast. if it would be reaper or predator - ya, large caliber slow-firing AAA devices were proven in WWII against targets with 200-500 km/h speed. But against subsonic target You need some more fire rate

KS-19 maybe not, but 8 barrelled 23 mm Mesbah-1 surely is (assuming Syrians have them).

lets take Okkam razor. Syrian definitely have 23mm Shilka and 57mm S-60 and 30mm Pantsir. Why do they need Iranian [s]sh...t[/s] footprint?

The beefed-up version of that, perhaps:

still 15 round/minute. too slow to shot down Phantom

[rat1111]

Russian reports say S-300 sale was cancelled following his meetings there.

seems infowars. Syria objectively has no need in such weapon

[Camera]

When I was in the army, the procedure was to shoot with all weapons - including assault rifles, MG... - at a low flying enemy aircrafts. There were planes that were hit this way in YKW.

[rat1111]

As i read for condolence and relitionship between two countries.

means how Turkey can escape war for Saudi interests till last Turk stay alive

UPD

today Putin called Erdogan.

It was Erdogan calling Putin. It was MFA RF statement. Russian officials were caught on different kinds of fooling, but not on open lie

[Camera]

seems infowars. Syria objectively has no need in such weapon

Maybe... The sources were Russian.

[J.Noah ה]

Syria blaming the Juice:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...248383,00.html

Assad hoping Erdogan's Israel-hate overpowers his logic/rationality again no doubt.

Someone is spooked over Turkey.

[rat1111]

Maybe... The sources were Russian.

Russia now is "true democratic" country, so different fractions there use press in their local wars for power. Also "The State" there is learning fast to new socionic technologies and may itself start infowar. The only thing Russians says that can be believed - are official statements. All the rest can be/is sh...t send by Russians to your brain

[rat1111]

Someone is spooked over Turkey.

Turkey is potential superpower in Middle east and leader of Sunni part of World. It's good idea to shoot tiger while it is small

[TOMMYJO]

Wow, now Masum Türker leader of the turkish political party DSP says that a Russian destroyer shot down the Turkish Phantom and that warship was the Udaloy II class Admiral Chabanenko!

http://www.medyafaresi.com/haber/828...medium=twitter

He says that everybody knows about what the Russian warship id in the Syrian waters but nobody speaks about it!

Admiral Chabanenko. Seriously? The Turkish opposition leader is crazy! The Chabanenko only finished an exercise with Norway last month and has not deployed. It is still in home port as part of the Northern Fleet. You can't keep such a deployment a secret and it wouldn't go unnoticed as it transited from the Atlantic into the Mediterranean. He also claims that there are other Russian warships? Seriously? The last Russian warship in Syria was the Smetlivy and that went back to the Black Sea. The floating workshop PM-138 is deployed to Tartus. Tanker Iman also returned to the Black Sea from Tartus.

The fantasy claims of Russian warships in Syria has prompted a response from the Russian Navy.

http://rusnavy.com/news/newsofday/in...EMENT_ID=15441

[Bankoletti]

lets take Okkam razor. Syrian definitely have 23mm Shilka and 57mm S-60 and 30mm Pantsir. Why do they need Iranian [s]sh...t[/s] footprint?

Let's take one indeed.
1. Due to Shilkas - no probs with ammo.
2. Shilka is very well known throughout the world (meaning there's countless countermeasurements for it developed), Mesbah-1 on the other hand isn't.
3. Shilka isn't capable of targetting PGMs, Mesbah-1 is.
4. Pantsir is disgustingly expensive asset, they've got what, like 10 of them? Why not use Pantsirs only at the most strategic of places while the rest of the country can easily be covered by a sea of cheap Meshab's?

1+2+3+4 = Mesbah is a very attractive option for Syria.

[rat1111]

Let's take one indeed.
3. Shilka isn't capable of targetting PGMs, Mesbah-1 is.

what is difference between PGM or any other target from point of view of AD? Khmmm I see no one, to be honest - just piece of aluminum flying on some speed and some altitude. More one - Shilka has both optical and radar guidance systems and stabilsed gun with fire rate of 3600 rounds/min nice device against low-altitude fast targets regardless of nature Ancient? Ya, but still effective

PS. Mesbah-1 is Iranian cadaver of ZU-23-2, which was predecessor of Zu-23-4 Shilka

[Surenas]

Turkey is potential superpower in Middle east and leader of Sunni part of World. It's good idea to shoot tiger while it is small

Many Arabs would disagree with you.

[rat1111]

Many Arabs would disagree with you.

ya-ya. that's why Otherwise in 10 years Turks will not ask Arabs on their opinion

[ISNJH]

Turkey deploying anti-aircraft guns on border with Syria, Turkish state TV reports: