Reply With QuoteGolan Heights? IAF fly over there every ****ing day, and the day Syria shots down an Israeli plane over Israel, good bye Syrian AD and air Force. and don't come here telling me Golan heights are occupied territory.Originally Posted by geolocator
Mistaken a F-4 Phantom with a Kfir, F-16 or F-15? No that's one hell of a excuse. "Sorry, we wanted to shoot down another neutral airplane over international waters without being provoked or attacked. No offense, bud."
Golan Heights? IAF fly over there every ****ing day, and the day Syria shots down an Israeli plane over Israel, good bye Syrian AD and air Force. and don't come here telling me Golan heights are occupied territory.
Actually, if we take the Syrian version of events as true (I know, the Assad regime is not the most trustworthy, but they have been fairly consistent as opposed to the version of the hour from the Turkish government.), it does make a bit of sense.
- A Syrian pilot defect to Jordan
- All Syrian airplanes are grounded
- Message goes out to all air defense units to the effect that any fixed-wing aircraft flying in Syrian air space are either hostile or defecting
- Ground crew with an AAA platform sees an airplane flying low, fast, and close by and shoots the crap out of it.
- I bet you the conscript crew doesn't browse militaryphotos.net and probably can't distinguish between a Phantom and a Kfir/F-15/F-16 and even if they do have a moldy "know your enemy aircraft" poster hanging in their training room, what are the odds that it still has a Juice F-4 on it?
It's you who by some reason writes about shots. BS. I write about a more simple thing - Syria and Israel have territorial problems and trying to hurt each other in various ways.
No matter occupied or not. I'm neutral in the case. There's a problem and that's it.
Kfir's aren't very relevant to bring up either, they were retired before the F-4 even.
If the IAF was operating over Syrian airspace it'd either be a large-scale operation that would be blowing **** up or a Drone
There is no problem, Syria knows what can they do and what they cant. Nothing to do with Russian weapons.
Did you forget your starting point?
Your said the situation in Syria was more peaceful since the new AD were delivered. This does not stand an objective exam of your argoments vs the facts.
Hopefully they still train to identify Kfirs and F-4s.
I imagine Syrian AD is mostly revolving around being mobile and hidden and distract the IAF while their scud and rocket launchers attack civilian areas. The latter strategy is the only way Assad could hope to get terms that were favorable to him and achieve the image of victory.
Beyond their MiG-29's (which pose a threat but are far less numerous than the IAF's ~400 F-15's/F-16's) I really don't see their air force doing much for instance, as those hundreds of MiG-21's, Su-17's, and MiG-23's are more or less cannon fodder these days. This extends to the regular army as well, where you'd probably see troops along the golan heights fight from hardened positions and tunnels with ATGM's and RPG's over their classical mass tank assault.
This emphasis on asymmetric war by Syrian planners against the IDF is probably why the FSA is able to cause such chaos to the regular army despite being outgunned. The defecting soldiers have been training for this kind of war for years.
Hmm I disagree hereThis emphasis on asymmetric war by Syrian planners against the IDF is probably why the FSA is able to cause such chaos to the regular army despite being outgunned. The defecting soldiers have been training for this kind of war for years.
Syrian army was not Lybian army
If it has issues with FSA it is rather more because :
* FSA is not so outguned (thanks to weapons provided through Turkey by Gulf States)
* there is a distrust in some officers/units
* battles are occuring in urban areas mostly (that is a very good balancer)
* enemies are using asymetric tactics (IED, VBIED ......)
* Assad was pretty soft in the beginning. He could have gone Hafez style but didnot, leading to an expansion of the unrest
Theorically Syrian army had enough of light infantry profesionnalized units (4 independant para brigades, 10 independant SF regiments, one up to possibly three special forces divisions and the republican guard) to crush the rebellion on the very beginning
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Syria doesn't remind me of Lybia, it reminds me of Iraq.
Russia’s main weapons producer has allegedly suspended its contract with Syria to supply S-300 long-range missile systems. Russia’s ‘Vedomosti’ daily published the report, citing unnamed sources within the military-industrial complex.The very fact of the contract’s existence was not known until it was revealed in an annual report made only last week and published online by the makers of the S-300 systems, Almaz-Antey.The report states that the company’s largest contracts are with Algeria (which is paying $39 million for a long-range missile defense system), and Syria, which signed a contract for the same system for $105 million.The report also says that deliveries on the Syrian contract are expected to be made between 2012 and 2013. But ‘Vedomosti’ claims two separate sources, who chose to remain anonymous, have said deliveries have been put on the back-burner “after a direct order from above.”It’s unclear whether these reports are true, but many are already speculating on the potential reasons for such a step.http://www.rt.com/news/russia-halts-...-contract-822/
For Russian readers
Russian language accounts name the system as S-300PMU-2
http://www.polit.ru/news/2012/06/26/c300/
try this for Vedomosti http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/new..._s300_v_siriyu
Yes, until recently Israel was the main threat. AD are not against rebels. I don't understand you problems.
That was known a long time ago. Syria don't need them until NATO air strike is possibly a real option. The decision is liked by everyone now, including Assad
Read again the discussion. You should understand where your arguments lacked coherency.
it's very, very dangerous position. ya, Israel has glorious story of victories against Arab hordes. But times are changing and in 2006 already Arabs win war with superior in both quality and quantity Israel forces.
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