Military plane, Hatay, Turkey, lost contact close to Syria

[Clearday-TRForce]

Hatay - Turkiye , near Syria Border (28.06.2012)

Turkey deployed air defense weaponry along its border with Syria yesterday, following Syria's downing of a Turkish warlplane over the Mediterranean on Friday.

[Universals]

^^As long as they don't shoot down a defecting plane, Syria is hardly flying any planes in the area, even without the grounding of their air force.

[kalerab]

Syria is flying helicopters in that area as large parts of northen Aleppo and Idlib province are out of their control. They grounded only fighters jets, not helos.

[Universals]

I'm sure Turkey won't be the first choice of any defecting pilot at the moment.

Syria is flying helicopters in that area as large parts of northen Aleppo and Idlib province are out of their control. They grounded only fighters jets, not helos.

Yea....the choppers too......

[mechin]

If that was a win for the Arabs I'd hate to see what they consider what a victory looks like.

Do you understand what a "victory" for US/Western interests is? If you think victory is measured by destruction and body bags, I suggest you examine the political and economic situation we find ourselves in.

In case you haven't noticed almost every organzied (And secular) Arab state is now in the garbage heap.
Iraq - Done

You mean a war that cost 3+k dead US soldiers, added trillions to the US debt and installed a pro-Iranian Shia-majority government is a "win"?

Egypt - Done

Replacing a puppet the followed US dictates and maintained the peace with Israel is also a win... considering that the democratically elected Muslim Brotherhood in coming to power!

Lybia - Done

The only example of a former adversary believing the saber-rattling, giving up all WMDs, and cooperating in all Western demands... done in favor of Islamic extremists.

Syria - On its way out the door.

Yes, a devil we know will be out in favor of a new one.

There isn't an Arab state left that can stand up to Israel or Iran.

I think you're clearly ignoring the strategic developments and focusing on the tactical. In all of the "victories" you mentioned above the extremist Islamic elements have gained considerable power. Terrorist networks have been able to form and now constitute a new threat. Religious minority groups (like Christians) are being persecuted. And for all the killing done in the region, the population is still greatly expanding as is the Arab population in the US and Europe (where they will seek a greater political voice).

So what victories were you talking about again?

Strategic. And I'm sure that Israel will also long for the day when it was surrounded by dictators who were more concerned about staying in power and oppressing their people, then populist fundamentalists that are calling for its destruction.

[Clearday-TRForce]

[Climber]

Strategic. And I'm sure that Israel will also long for the day when it was surrounded by dictators who were more concerned about staying in power and oppressing their people, then populist fundamentalists that are calling for its destruction.

this is the most complete bull**** I ever read in Mpnet. congrats

PS, I am sure you would like to share with us why are you so sure other than your ideology.

[Combat-Master]

So Turkey has deployed Hawk XXI with reported range of 30km and Atilgan with 8km range..Eh.. Enough for the Border with Syria.. It'll be 2017 before Turkey gets anything more advanced..

[geolocator]

yet, those AD never where an obstacle for us to attack, even in 73 when lot of IAF pilots gave their lives for our security. We developed a whole new lot of stuff learning from our wars.

Jeez... I asked you to not slip into 73 or 82. I'm writing about NOW.

[Camera]

So Turkey has deployed Hawk XXI with reported range of 30km and Atilgan with 8km range..Eh.. Enough for the Border with Syria.. It'll be 2017 before Turkey gets anything more advanced..

Turkey does not have Patriots?

[Climber]

Jeez... I asked you to not slip into 73 or 82. I'm writing about NOW.

OK, the IAF will ensure that in case it have to operate over Syria to have complete air superiority, that's suppose that no AD will survive or stop the IAF to do their job.

[Combat-Master]

Turkey does not have Patriots?

Nope.. Turkey does not have any modern long range surface-to-air missiles, they are still in the process of choosing between SAMP/T Aster 30, Patriot-based system, S-300/S-400 and HQ-9..

For medium and short range there is Indigenous project on-going..

[hattusili]

Iraq - Done
Egypt - Done
Lybia - Done
Syria - On its way out the door.

If 15 years from now they are still stable democracies, you can call it "done" and relax a bit, but for a few years to come nothing is for certain.

[mechin]

this is the most complete bull**** I ever read in Mpnet. congrats

PS, I am sure you would like to share with us why are you so sure other than your ideology.

Enlighten us on what ideology you are referring. If you think it's "bull****" that Mubarak remaining in power was to the benefit of the US and Israel (compared to having the "democratic" MB) then feel free to be ecstatic about the "Arab Spring" that is unfolding in the region. Strategically the fundamentalists are winning whether we like it or not.

[unicuru]

Turkish jet shot down by Russians, opposition leader claims

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-jet-shot-down-by-russians-opposition-leader-claims-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=24160&NewsCatID=338