Surpat

[Beowulf]

Glad to see he's ready to rappel off the church of the nativity, in case any crazy **** goes down.

[ThePlato]

Glad to see he's ready to rappel off the church of the nativity, in case any crazy **** goes down.

Yeah, good thing he's dressed inconspicuously as well. I think the CIA should start dressing like this guy.

[Beowulf]

Yeah, good thing he's dressed inconspicuously as well. I think the CIA should start dressing like this guy.

Dude it's "Survival" pattern - to help you survive. I heard its patented.

[PMI]

They have patent on Surpat in USA = it's not a copy and this "

with new shades of colors was developed by SURVIVAL CORPS" .

I'll type slowly for you...

MARPAT & CADPAT have different color palettes. MARPAT is a direct copy of CADPAT.

Changing the color palette does not change the fact that the pattern was copied exactly.

Filing a patent claim does not change the fact that the pattern was copied exactly.

If the company that produces SURPAT did not secure the rights to the pattern from whatever company owns the algorithm (IIRC it was a Dutch firm) they would could be subject to lawsuits if they ever sell the pattern in a country where said company operates.

Now it's entirely possible that the maker did in fact enter into an agreement with the original creator of the pattern. I don't know whether they did or not. I do think it is unlikely given that there has been no scuttlebutt surrounding the possibility but that is beside the point.

PMI is just another one who like to scream "Evil Ruskies copy this copy that" with zero of knowledge.

Of course, that's it exactly, why else would I take specific pains to point out that it is different than when people make silly claims like "SU-27 is a copy of F-15!!" just because both have twin tails.

Yes it is a direct copy of the CADPAT pattern just as MARPAT is. I made no value judgement regarding said copying (unless you want to believe I also like to scream 'evil Marines copy this copy that') I merely pointed it out and provided evidence to demonstrate as much. I think any reasonable individual would be hard pressed not to acknowledge it.

The 'evil ruskies' claims only exist within your imagination so get over your damn insecurity complex.

[Arbody]

PMI , dude I give a fvck . They got patent for US market . Now go jogging.

The 'evil ruskies' claims only exist within your imagination so get over your damn insecurity complex.

Did I already said that you are funny? I think I did. Cheers

[Rattfink]

I'll type slowly for you...Yes it is a direct copy of the CADPAT pattern just as MARPAT is. I made no value judgement regarding said copying (unless you want to believe I also like to scream 'evil Marines copy this copy that') I merely pointed it out and provided evidence to demonstrate as much. I think any reasonable individual would be hard pressed not to acknowledge it.

I think much of the confusion lies in the fact that digital is now so ubiquitous that we forget someone had to invent it. Now every tiny variation on CADPAT is an all new pattern.

[hogdriver]

I think much of the confusion lies in the fact that digital is now so ubiquitous that we forget someone had to invent it.

Canada..?....

[PMI]

PMI , dude I give a fvck.

Hey everybody's got to make a living.

They got patent for US market.

And? Do you have any idea how the US patent office works? It is completely irrelevant as to whether the pattern was copied.

The US Department of the Navy holds a patent on MARPAT...it is still directly copied from CADPAT.

I think much of the confusion lies in the fact that digital is now so ubiquitous that we forget someone
had to invent it. Now every tiny variation on CADPAT is an all new pattern.

To be blunt I don't I think that is the issue at all here. There are tons of different digital patterns out there that are very different from CADPAT for example the pattern (digital flora or whatever they call it) that is current issue for the Russian military. This is just the 'russia strong' cult climbing up on a cross.

Canada..?....

I believe the company that actually did the work for the Canadian military was Dutch. I also believe that Col. Tim O'Neil's work was cited as an influence.

That being said Canada was the first country to issue digital pixelated camouflage pattern uniforms.

[Arbody]

Mon, I'm sure that you know that first "digital" pattern was invent in USSR.

[Troubadour]

Why are we arguing over Russia stealing another camouflage? It's not the first, it won't be the last. Who cares, it's camouflage.

[BlackFlag]

Why are we arguing over Russia stealing another camouflage? It's not the first, it won't be the last. Who cares, it's camouflage.

x2.

The color scheme is different, who gives a damn if the pixels are the same?

[Flecktarn92]

The Russians have been copying other peoples patterns for years. I believe they have copies of I want to say Dutch DPM, German Flecktarn and I think this is the second digital pattern. I really don't care what they copy. I'll say though that they have had probably the most diverse and expansive selections of camo over the years but

[PMI]

Mon, I'm sure that you know that first "digital" pattern was invent in USSR.

"Digital" as in pixelated with angular individual elements....yes

"Digital" as in created using a digital algorithm....I haven't seen a reliable source that claims as much.

TTsMKK/Stair step/KLMK/Sun Bunnies are the former but they are not the latter.

If you have some new verifiable information I'd certainly be interested in seeing it.

The color scheme is different, who gives a damn if the pixels are the same?

For some of us accuracy is important.