Turkey calls for NATO meeting over Syria

[Climber]

It depends on, this was the time when the enemy had weapons which were not at least 30years old but modern as their air defense and jets.
If we take a look at the aircraft losses of the Vietnam War: 2500 fixed aicrafts (F-4 Phantom II-- --445 total, 382 in combat ), rotary aircraft 5000. It's clear that this war was not Desert storm.
Surprisingly (or not) that was the last time the USAF fought against an enemy with an up2date air defense.

That what's happen when you fight a war without political will and hands tied. I am not dismissing Vietnam in any way, but to say that the US was defeated is wrong.

[mokokko]

Have you ever know about the air strike of US over Hanoi in 1972? I think US with the air superiority had suffered a great loss.
The problem for Syria is, whether the Syrian troops want to defend their country. If they want, a huge loss will be there for Turkey.
Another point is how do you know the most part of Syrian population would support Turkey? They may fight for there freedom and their national pride.

Calm down dude. No one is going to war and no needed armchair generals . Turkey has enough own army generals. Plus Syrian Assad regime has also too much troubles.

[gilgoul]

If a IAF plane was shot down over lets say Lebanon, Israel would bomb hard, if a IAF plane would be shot down over Israeli territory, Israel would bomb more than hard. That's what what we would do.

well, got more than a undred rockets fired onto our own territory and did nothing

[DID]

Turkey is not alone concerned by the actual Syrian crisis, the whole world (especially Russia with recent weapons sent to assad, China, US and the NATO, and not to forget the Middle East in is totality including Israel) So Turkey even if it look like they have good reason to bomb Syria, wont do it without concertation with allies. This can take a few time but it will end bad for assad, that's the only thing we are sure.

[Combat-Master]

Turkey is not alone concerned by the actual Syrian crisis, the whole world (especially Russia with recent weapons sent to assad, China, US and the NATO, and not to forget the Middle East in is totality including Israel) So Turkey even if it look like they have good reason to bomb Syria, wont do it without concertation with allies. This can take a few time but it will end bad for assad, that's the only thing we are sure.

Well, we will see what happens on Tuesday when Erdogan & Co. will consult with NATO nations and release a formal statement.

[DID]

A unilateral answer from turkey would bring more oil on the fire of middle-east crisis.

[EITAN88]

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemned Syria on Sunday for the "brazen and unacceptable" shooting down of a Turkish fighter jet and vowed to work with Ankara on a suitable response.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...42f856beaa.271

[Grax]

That what's happen when you fight a war without political will and hands tied. I am not dismissing Vietnam in any way, but to say that the US was defeated is wrong.

They have almost lost half of their entire air-force, but if this is a defeat or not everybody should decide for his own.
Anyway back2topic.

[Piano]

It depends on, this was the time when the enemy had weapons which were not at least 30years old but modern as their air defense and jets.
If we take a look at the aircraft losses of the Vietnam War: 2500 fixed aicrafts (F-4 Phantom II-- --445 total, 382 in combat ), rotary aircraft 5000. It's clear that this war was not Desert storm.
Surprisingly (or not) that was the last time the USAF fought against an enemy with an up2date air defense.

The technological gulf between the USAF and the rest of the world is far greater now, than it was during the Cold War.

[Meorom]

The technological gulf between the USAF and the rest of the world is far greater now, than it was during the Cold War.

It will not be the war between USAF and Syria. If there will be, only between Turkey and Syria. Turkey is far more to become some super-power like US. And Syrian itself, certainly has some state-of-the-art air defence measures (although they are short and medium range).

[G-AWZT]

I'd imagine the average Turkish person on the street wants retaliation. Erdogan seems to be doing everything to prevent that from happening.

[Climber]

well, got more than a undred rockets fired onto our own territory and did nothing

Gaza is not Lebanon or Syria. I know its wrong but you know its not the same.

[Grax]

The technological gulf between the USAF and the rest of the world is far greater now, than it was during the Cold War.

No .........

[Surenas]

Like in the 2006 Lebanon war, that the Hezzies claim to have won, the fact you fail to achieve your objectives in the political and time frame you are allowed, doesn't make it a defeat.

Not only the hezzies, but also quite some few western military experts. As far I can remember a analyze conducted by a US military academy reached a similar conclusion.

[sepheronx]

The technological gulf between the USAF and the rest of the world is far greater now, than it was during the Cold War.

It is? Then I suppose things like Tor-M2E, Pantsir, S series SAM systems, Mig-29's and Su-27/30's are of no threat, right?

Get real.