Turkey calls for NATO meeting over Syria

[EITAN88]

Not only the hezzies, but also quite some few western military experts. As far I can remember a analyze conducted by a US military academy reached a similar conclusion.

Hzibollah hasn't dared to make a move on the Lebanese border for the past 6 years while Nasrallah is still in hiding... analyze that.

[fiorellabel]

There are different vision but I think we can almost agree to consider almost something as based on real fact.

First: Turkey has very capable and modern armed forces, all three branches, it is a long time Nato member and it can count from its full support.
Second: It's a muslim country, with a crushing Sunni majority, stable istitutions a staunch economy, a stable and popular moderate islamic government i.e. the living embodiement of the ultimate goal of all "arabian spring" movements
Third: Support to Syrian regime comes only by some of its minority group and with exception of Alawites itself is not even unanimous, so once the major units involved in repression would be destroyed or even simply unable they would not be replaced by newly formed units.
Fourth and more important: Turkey and the Arab league countries wouldn be surely more accepted by Syrians than Western (and above all American) forces and they would not even been shacked by all the defatigating democracy-building process that the latter have to put on as a moral justification of their actions toward its own public opinions.
Turkey can so simply start thing up, overthrow Assad, install a provisional government and get back as soon as possible and still would reap great political results in Syria and all M.O. and with all bill payed by gulf monarchies.

[Climber]

Not only the hezzies, but also quite some few western military experts. As far I can remember a analyze conducted by a US military academy reached a similar conclusion.

Yes? post me some link? and while we are at that, explain it to me with your military expertise, I am sure you have some........

[Climber]

You must have put really a lot of effort to build such a constructive arguement, didn't you.

Exactly.

Do you have info on the Syrian army battle order and readiness to share with us?

I am still waiting................

[Winger]

A lot of huff 'n puff in this thread. Point is, the shooting down of one plane does require some form of response; full out assault is NOT one of. The fact that Turkey is wanting to confer with its NATO allies is a good sign that maybe thinking heads will prevail.

To the off-topic point regarding Turkey vs. Syria in a full out conflict, Syria doesn't stand a chance against the full standing force of the Turkish military. It's like saying Saddam's forces actually stood a chance against an American assault. Syrian forces would be defeated, but to what end? It is very unlikely it would happen.

[Atlantic Friend]

A lot of huff 'n puff in this thread. Point is, the shooting down of one plane does require some form of response; full out assault is NOT one of.

No, I agree, nobody is about to call for an immediate invasion of Syria over that incident - which nonetheless remains a very serious one. And one which raises questions about the delivery of future SAMs to Syria, methinks (if it turns up that the plane was engaged over international waters by a missile and not, as the Syrian govt says, much closer by triple A)

[shermbodius]

I say let loose the dogs of war! Turkey Strong!

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Turkey jet crisis unlikely to pull NATO into Syria

BRUSSELS (AP) — Syria's downing of a Turkish military jet has the feel of a turning point that could drag Western powers into a conflict that is spiraling out of control. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has vowed to hold Syria to account, while Britain's foreign minister said Damascus won't be allowed to act with impunity.

But for all the hard talk, the prospect of Western military intervention in Syria remains remote, at best.

http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-jet-cri...153959877.html

[gilgoul]

Gaza is not Lebanon or Syria. I know its wrong but you know its not the same.

true.

I concede it.

Back to topic, I wonder what Turkey is still trying to pull with this NATO meeting, cause I don't see anyone entering the jam right now, especially not to please Turkey who hasn't been exactly a perfect NATO ally lately.

[memoli]

Back to topic, I wonder what Turkey is still trying to pull with this NATO meeting, cause I don't see anyone entering the jam right now, especially not to please Turkey who hasn't been exactly a perfect NATO ally lately.

why haven't we been a 'perfect NATO ally lately'?

have we prevented them from something?

[StateMachine]

I don't think there is any doubt that Turkey would defeat Syria from a border clash to full war. But given Syria's air defenses and WMD, there would be a new footnote in the dictionary under pyrrhic victory.

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Turkey will push NATO to consider downing of jet as attack

ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey says it will push NATO to consider Syria's downing of a Turkish jet as an attack on the whole military alliance.

Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc's announcement Monday came on the eve of a meeting by NATO's governing body to discuss the incident. The Turkish government says the unarmed RF-4E reconnaissance jet was shot down a mile (1.6 kilometres) inside international airspace on Friday.

Arinc says Turkey will push NATO to consider the armed attack under article 5 in a key alliance treaty. Article 5 states that an attack against one NATO member shall be considered an attack against all members.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/2012...s-soar-120625/


Not good.

[IconOfEvi]

why haven't we been a 'perfect NATO ally lately'?

have we prevented them from something?

Threats against other NATO members, the Cyprus issue from a year back, Erdogan's hullaboo over the Mami raid, flirting with the ME regimes including Assad not too long ago. Of course other Western nations are guilty of this, and were even moreso in the case of Ghaddafi. Im just naming some incidents.

Of course it seems solidarity might win the day after all.

[crush6655]

why haven't we been a 'perfect NATO ally lately'?

Cause a NATO member was attacked by Syria and Turkey didn't attack back even though Turkey is in NATO and should attack back

[memoli]

Threats against other NATO members, the Cyprus issue from a year back, Erdogan's hullaboo over the Mami raid, flirting with the ME regimes including Assad not too long ago. Of course other Western nations are guilty of this, and were even moreso in the case of Ghaddafi. Im just naming some incidents.

Of course it seems solidarity might win the day after all.

what NATO members, Greece?

what has Cyprus issue, Marmara incident got to do with NATO?

and please spare me the bullcrap of 'flirting with ME regimes'. like we are the only NATO member to do it..

Turkey supported the weapon embargo with naval ships while some NATO countries didn't support it at all (ze Germans). we even installed radars on our soil. if this is 'bad NATO member' then even the most powerfull member in the alliance is bad!